Comments Thread For: Wilder Co-Manager: Fury Rematch Bigger Now Than Joshua Fight

[JRB123]

He was the "Wilder" judge. They had a Wilder judge and a draw judge on the payroll. That's how these scams work. Bookies would have lost big time if Fury got the W, and they would have made a killing with a Draw. A Wilder win would have made them money also but no where near the money they made with that draw. It was Canelo-GGG bookie Christmas all over again. Ronchin took the place of Byrd.

I thought of that Canelo-Golovkin fight when I heard the result, but this one was worse. Fury schooled the guy and was flat out robbed. He won nine rounds in that fight and even in the knockdown rounds there were moments where he got the best of Wilder.

For Wilder's co-manager to say what he said nearly solidifies the thought that they had no intentions of having Wilder fight Joshua. They knew that he would lose badly to AJ so they tried to get Fury from his supposed state and I would say that it nearly backfired on them but both Finkel and Warren collaborated to have this take place.

[Gillie]

Brits so want to be the center of the boxing world. LOL.

We all know if a rematch happens it will be in Vegas where the money is. This is PRIZEfighting after all..

You are probably right. Money talks and the rematch is going to make a whole lot of that.

[Adamsc151]

Wilder/Joshua is dead at least for the moment. This fight does NOTHING for either guy right now. Joshua wins and everyone says who cares Fury is lineal and already beat Wilder. Wilder beats Joshua everyone says who cares Joshua isn't the man right now it's Fury and you ducked a rematch with the guy who already beat you.

But there is precedence for it, i.e Wlad's last 2 fights.
Fury danced around and outboxed him for 12 rounds but never hurt him once - similar to his fight with Wilder. Then Joshua had a tougher time of it, but dropped Wlad 3 times and won by stoppage.
I can see fast Eddie trying to do the same thing here, and letting AJ-Fury "marinate" further until Fury gets himself into a mandatory position with 1 or more of the sanctioning body's. Let's face it; if and when there is an undisputed HW champ (whoever it may be), the only way to get a shot at him will be as a mandatory defence.
As for AJ-Wilder being dead; Joshua fills football stadiums and gets over 1 million PPV buys for mandatory defences, plus there has never been an undisputed HW championship fight in the UK before. A unification with Wilder would probably at least match the Wlad fight totals and get over 1.7 million PPV buys, regardless of whether people still think Wilder deserves his belt. In boxing, especially at HW, money talks - and the only boxer that brings in more money than Joshua is Canelo.

[MDPopescu]

... first, people should wait to see what kind PPV sales this fight made in the U.S. and the U.K...

[Drunken Cat]

He was the "Wilder" judge. They had a Wilder judge and a draw judge on the payroll. That's how these scams work. Bookies would have lost big time if Fury got the W, and they would have made a killing with a Draw. A Wilder win would have made them money also but no where near the money they made with that draw. It was Canelo-GGG bookie Christmas all over again. Ronchin took the place of Byrd.

This conspiracy theory doesn't make logical sense, in a fight with a 12th round knockdown.

The so-called 'draw' judge couldn't have anticipated a knockdown in the 12th round. At best, his scorecard would have had Fury winning by a point, if not for the knockdown.

I had it 114-112 Fury, but there were some swing rounds, and a draw is not unreasonable given the subjective nature of scoring in boxing.

I hate to destroy your fantasies with logic, but the reality is that Wilder snatched a draw from the jaws of defeat with that knockdown in the last round.

Unless you want to claim that Fury took a dive...

Otherwise, you have zero argument here.

[Drunken Cat]

Wilder doesn't have the balls to rematch Fury, let alone in the UK. Wilder will fight super duper Brazil and continue barking AJ is avoiding him despite having Hearn's offer (% split and 2-way rematch) on his table. Alabama fraud got exposed by a cherry-pick, who came off 2,5 years of extreme obesity, alcohol and drug abuse. Embarrassing!

In reality, the fight was a pick-em based on the odds.

Wilder has fought two killers in his last two fights. When he says Ortiz was an avoided fighter, it's accurate. I picked Stiverne to beat Wilder. I picked Areola to beat Wilder. When it came to Fury, I wasn't comfortable making a pick, because I'd underestimated Wilder too many times, but I picked Fury. I thought Fury won narrowly, but 2 knockdowns is a lot to overcome, given the system of scoring in boxing.

[Drunken Cat]

Rematch Fury in the UK you'll lose, fair judges, Fury will improve , 40 fights of bad matches has hurt Wilder.

Fight AJ in April great too.

Hey fight Whyte .. just fight someone.

I agree that Fury will improve, but I think Wilder will also improve.

A rematch is a good fight, and I hope it happens. It'll be much the same going in as the last fight. Fury by decision or Wilder by knockout.

Wilder-Joshua would be good too, though.

Fury-White could also be a good fight, for example. Or, give Fury an easier fight with a guy like Breazle, while he waits for the Wilder-Joshua winner.

All of these are good fights. Wilder-Fury 2 could sell out a stadium in the UK, and would be more interesting than Joshua-White. But nothing wrong with Joshua-White, either.

My expectation is Fury-Wilder 2, though.

[Drunken Cat]

No, a knockdown deducts one point from the guy that gets dropped, not two points. If Fighter A is kicking Fighter B's ass the whole round then suffers a flash knockdown at the end of the round, does Fighter B win that round 10-8? Or is it 9-9?

In practice, fighter B would typically win by 10-9 (10-8 on some judges cards though).

Whether this is just or not is another question, but a fighter getting dropped despite dominating a round usually possibly results in that fighter who was dropped losing 10-9.

[Ray*]

A AJ-Fury fight is bigger than anything right now.

[NachoMan]

In practice, fighter B would typically win by 10-9 (10-8 on some judges cards though).

Whether this is just or not is another question, but a fighter getting dropped despite dominating a round usually possibly results in that fighter who was dropped losing 10-9.

Honestly, my observation is that most judges (and announcers and fans) seem to call any round with a kd as an automatic 10-8 round, but that is not consistent with the rules. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B and Fighter A also won that round apart from the kd, then it should be scored a 10-8 round. If the round, however, was even (10-10) apart from the kd, then Fighter A should win the round 10-9 (again, only 1 point for the kd). If Fighter B was winning the round apart from the kd, then the round should be scored 9-9, BUT this almost never happens. People cannot separate the kd from the rest of the round, but it certainly should be considered separately when scoring. As I noted, that kd is worth exactly 1 point only. It is not worth extra consideration for the rest of the round.