Comments Thread For: Wilder: We All Know Fury Didn't Beat Klitschko; He Beat Himself

[markther]

For whatever reason, Wladimir was off that night and couldn’t pull the trigger. And I believe it had more to do with himself and less to do with Fury. But hey, a win is a win and it set Fury up nicely for this fight a few years later. I just don’t see Fury going the distance or winning. He may go out in round 1 too. That’s why fans are great. We all have our way of seeing this fight.

[Curtis2]

Ortiz was dominating Wilder until the hail Mary landed...Fury to smart for hail Mary's

[Mr. Luthor]

In all honesty, Fury's resume is not more impressive than Wilder's. Fury sole claim to fame is an ugly victory over an old V Klit. Fury has the audacity to criticize Wilder's opponents but there is not one prime age, elite level heavyweight in Fury's list of victims. If I'm wrong, I hope someone can enlighten me.

[Boxing Goat]

I felt Wlad was gunshy in the Fury fight. Fury gets some credit for that of course, but Wlad's age and disposition would have played a part. Wlad spent a decade plus protecting a dodgy chin, and part of that was having the speed to identify and take advantage of openings while closing down the opponents opportunity to counter (often by clinching etc, but he had a system).

Older fighters often get gunshy when they identify and react to opportunities a split-second too late, so they keep their punches at home as opportunity after opportunity passes them by.

He corrected with Joshua, but ended up doing what he was scared of doing with Fury - getting caught - and he did get caught (and wisely recognised it was the end of the road).

So Wilder potentially has a point. Would Fury have been able to do the same to the Wlad of 5 years before ? That's opinion, but I don't think he would. Fury got to Wlad at the perfect time, and beating him elevated his status above where I think he really stands in the heavyweight ranks.

I hope Fury proves me wrong against Wilder (just like Saunders proved me wrong vs Lemieux), but I think Wilder is liable to put Fury in his place, especially given Fury's inactivity at the top level over the past few years (along with all the other problems).

In my opinion, Wlad just can't pull the trigger anymore. There were huge signs of it in the Jennings fight which was before the Fury fight. Wlad no longer has snap on his jab, hook and right cross. His power remains but that will only get you so far at the top.

[Mr. Luthor]

So it's your opinion that Wilder has connected 39 Hail Mary's in 40 fights?

[OldTerry]

Both Wilder and Fury have distinctive advantages but Wilder's most underrated and ignored advantage over Fury is that Wilder doesn't know how to lose and has extreme confidence. On the other hand, Fury has to have a wealth of self doubt that no amount of talking and showboating can hide. Not self doubt due to a ring loss, but the self doubt that all addicts and self destructive people live with daily.

Tyson Fury's biggest flaw is Tyson Fury.

Let us also not forget that Wilder is a much better boxer than his doubters give him credit. Fury actually said this himself. His footwork might not be fantastic but he has proven he can set himself to deliver the big punch. Does he windmill, yes but only after his opponent is in deep trouble. I like Wilder as he is not a pretentious fellow.

[Mr. Luthor]

Let us also not forget that Wilder is a much better boxer than his doubters give him credit. Fury actually said this himself. His footwork might not be fantastic but he has proven he can set himself to deliver the big punch. Does he windmill, yes but only after his opponent is in deep trouble. I like Wilder as he is not a pretentious fellow.

You'll get no argument from me. I will add that people seem to ignore that even though Wilder gets wild when going for the kill, there's no reason for him to change when his kill percentage is around 98%.

[OldTerry]

We all know Wilder didn't beat Ortiz, the referee beat Ortiz.

You are flat out wrong. The referee didn't prematurely stop the fight and Wilder finished the round on his feet. Wilder came back to control the fight and demolish Ortiz, so the referee's not stopping the fight at the slightest sign of adversity for Wilder was proven to be correct. If Wilder had been taking a beating during the fight it would have been different, but Wilder was winning the fight up until that round where Ortiz hurt him.

[OldTerry]

Ortiz was dominating Wilder until the hail Mary landed...Fury to smart for hail Mary's

You were watching a different fight than the one I and the judges were watching. Ortiz was doing well but he wasn't winning and he did go down three times in the fight with Wilder never being off his feet.

[Oshio]

A quick reminder, I thought you guys said Fury is the man that beats the man. What has changed now? The man beats himself? Can you guys just say one thing and stick to it