Techniques: Phantom Overhead

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  • Marchegiano
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    Techniques: Phantom Overhead

    This technique may help fighters get inside. The punch can be effectively thrown from a distance that is usually unthinkable when throwing a classic overhand.

    Unlike the straight right hand, the phantom overhead initial move is invisible to the opponent = phantom. In the middle stage the hand goes like a high hook, so the opponent can notice it with his side vision only

    Unlike the overhand the trajectory makes an ark that goes above the eye-level as if aiming over the head of the opponent and then comes downwards. In the finishing phase the fist may go almost straight as the classical overhand. Another finishing trajectory is almost like a high hook with a intent to travel over and around the guard.


    How it's done:

    Adjust the distance and look at your opponent’s eyes till you start the move. Pay attention on the relative distance between your foot and your opponent’s foot. This is something you should figure out when working on mitts/heavy bag or doing sparring: where to place your front foot so you know that the striking distance is just right. Change your sight to the body as you step forward with your front foot.

    When you are stepping in, bend your body inside to your right, leaving the attack pyramid of your opponent. Bend your knees, drop your right elbow, relax right shoulder, and move right fist to the right thigh. The fist should be invisible to your opponent. By these movements you store the energy that will allow you to throw the power shot. Also, this preliminary move makes your opponent suspect an attack low or to the body. This causes him to react and open up further falling into the trap of your real intentions.

    Make sure your front foot is completely on the ground. Push with the legs violently. Shift weight from the right to the left side by bending your body to the left. While doing so, you bring the right shoulder up and pull the right fist with it. The fist should get the momentum from the shoulder, not by simple raising your arm. Concentrate on your shoulder, not on the fist. At this phase, you can look at the opponent's head to target your punch.


    Rotate your body in horizontal plane without losing balance. For that, make sure that your head does not go much further than your front foot. Raise the elbow high to land overhead punch. twist the fist horizontal in the final stage.

    If you are chasing your opponent who shuffles back creating more distance, you may throw a leaping long hook by raising your back foot and making the punch land further away.

    To sum up, this complex punch requires from you an execution of a sequence of moves and rotations in different planes. You cannot throw such a punch all the time, because your opponent will get used it and you should not use it without baiting. To keep the element of surprise swap the punch with something else like a body shot.

    Edit- I did not write this, it came from sweet or sugar or sweet sugar or some such boxing which now defunct so I can't find the original author to give credit to.

    It's a shame because you never see phantoms being explained.
    Last edited by Marchegiano; 11-26-2018, 12:04 AM.
  • Robbie Barrett
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    So that's what you call the windmill that leaves Wilder off balance and every coach/fighter ridicules him for?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
      So that's what you call the windmill that leaves Wilder off balance and every coach/fighter ridicules him for?
      This is starting to get obsessive.

      How many of you do I have bringing up Wilder to me in threads I've not mentioned or even alluded to Wilder in? You're like the fifth mother ****er.

      Do you follow other Wilder supporters to argue over nothing as long as it is Wilder themed? I don't see it. Seems like if someone else who supports Wilder wants to talk about Crawford or some **** you let them do that without bringing up Wilder.

      So what the damn hell guy?

      This particular punch is not thrown by Wilder. This particular punch, if it had any connection at all to Wilder, is thrown by shorter opponents and would be defended against by Wilder.

      Who might I maybe might be bragging on here if not Wilder? I mean it isn't a brag in anyway it is an explanation but if you want it to be a brag then who might it be given Wilder does not throw that punch because Wilder does not have the body type for it?

      Maybe, might, just possibly be with in the realm of possibilities to assume I could be talking about Rocco Francis Marchegiano?


      Not a ****ing thing relative to Wilder until you came here. What has you so shook? Why are you so hungry to talk at me about Wilder?


      I have other interests son. Have you not seen me drop history like a chronicler? Here I am dropping technical bombs you can search the damn forum for to find out ain't no one talking about those level of techniques. You know nothing **** sticks want to talk about jabs and check hooks for ****ing ever; it is all you know.

      Maybe instead of being a goofy little **** you might set aside your feelings toward Wilder long enough to notice I am a goddamn ocean of knowledge just sitting here trying to share it with you goofy ****s who don't know a single technique not already discussed on major broadcasts or even the verbage to use when flexing your boxing vocab, don't know a thing about modern history let alone the tricky stuff, and parrots one of two mainstream narratives prior to researching, then does the research only to support the **** you said while you were ignorant as if I can't tell.

      Now pop you a ****in' tab and tell me something else not only I already knew but the whole goddamn forum already knew and had been talking about for months if not years prior to you ever clicking my name while I teach this forum **** no one else came prepared to teach as if anything you say to me will ever change our juxtapositions.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Marchegiano
        This is starting to get obsessive.

        How many of you do I have bringing up Wilder to me in threads I've not mentioned or even alluded to Wilder in? You're like the fifth mother ****er.

        Do you follow other Wilder supporters to argue over nothing as long as it is Wilder themed? I don't see it. Seems like if someone else who supports Wilder wants to talk about Crawford or some **** you let them do that without bringing up Wilder.

        So what the damn hell guy?

        This particular punch is not thrown by Wilder. This particular punch, if it had any connection at all to Wilder, is thrown by shorter opponents and would be defended against by Wilder.

        Who might I maybe might be bragging on here if not Wilder? I mean it isn't a brag in anyway it is an explanation but if you want it to be a brag then who might it be given Wilder does not throw that punch because Wilder does not have the body type for it?

        Maybe, might, just possibly be with in the realm of possibilities to assume I could be talking about Rocco Francis Marchegiano?


        Not a ****ing thing relative to Wilder until you came here. What has you so shook? Why are you so hungry to talk at me about Wilder?


        I have other interests son. Have you not seen me drop history like a chronicler? Here I am dropping technical bombs you can search the damn forum for to find out ain't no one talking about those level of techniques. You know nothing **** sticks want to talk about jabs and check hooks for ****ing ever; it is all you know.

        Maybe instead of being a goofy little **** you might set aside your feelings toward Wilder long enough to notice I am a goddamn ocean of knowledge just sitting here trying to share it with you goofy ****s who don't know a single technique not already discussed on major broadcasts or even the verbage to use when flexing your boxing vocab, don't know a thing about modern history let alone the tricky stuff, and parrots one of two mainstream narratives prior to researching, then does the research only to support the **** you said while you were ignorant as if I can't tell.

        Now pop you a ****in' tab and tell me something else not only I already knew but the whole goddamn forum already knew and had been talking about for months if not years prior to you ever clicking my name while I teach this forum **** no one else came prepared to teach as if anything you say to me will ever change our juxtapositions.
        You constantly nuthug Wilder. I saw the thread, then the gif. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think you were jizzing over Wilder.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
          You constantly nuthug Wilder. I saw the thread, then the gif. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think you were jizzing over Wilder.
          That's exactly my point though bubba.

          I don't hold nothing against any of you, but it seems like you all do me. I can't talk about anything without you guys twisting it into something to do with Wilder.

          Talk about Rocky, must really mean Wilder.

          Talk about ***ish boxing I must really mean black and by black I must really mean Wilder.

          Talk about Glaukos The Hammer of Karystus that must got something to do with Wilder.

          Talk about technique that is for small men and that's got something to do with Wilder.

          Talk about being in international business while being from Dixie that must be code for Wilder.

          Talk about kinematic chains being more important that weight, got to be Wilder I am indirectly defending not every smaller HW just Wilder's lanky ass.

          Talk about my profession, must be some angle for Wilder.

          For ****'s sake a few of you just ask me " What is your angle" and when I tells the kids " I thought it was funny" you know what they says? Says I must have an angle because I always have an angle. Well **** me....that's me pigeon holed init? That's me in a situation where this whole goddamn post can be nothing but lalalala and it won't make no nevermind to none of you all because no matter what I type it gets translated into "here some random as ****, out of nowhere, addresses nothing, Wilder support"

          Notice I am not laughing. Those emotes I post are not for flippancy. When I laugh at y'all it's because you genuinely tickled me not because I'm an insecure little ****. The things I say stay where I said them unless you bring them with you and if everything I say bothers you so maybe you ought to get off these nuts and analyze why because up until recent I thought we had a pretty good back and forth where we're able to make jokes and light without anyone taking it too personal but how the **** am I meant to believe you are not taking it personal when you follow me around carrying **** I've said it the past with you?

          If you are still wanting an argument somewhere I left bubba I promise I just missed the quote, bump me again and I'll set-to. Ain't no reason for you to carry words in your heart or to **** up a Marciano thread because I said nice **** about Wilder.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Marchegiano
            That's exactly my point though bubba.

            I don't hold nothing against any of you, but it seems like you all do me. I can't talk about anything without you guys twisting it into something to do with Wilder.

            Talk about Rocky, must really mean Wilder.

            Talk about ***ish boxing I must really mean black and by black I must really mean Wilder.

            Talk about Glaukos The Hammer of Karystus that must got something to do with Wilder.

            Talk about technique that is for small men and that's got something to do with Wilder.

            Talk about being in international business while being from Dixie that must be code for Wilder.

            Talk about kinematic chains being more important that weight, got to be Wilder I am indirectly defending not every smaller HW just Wilder's lanky ass.

            Talk about my profession, must be some angle for Wilder.

            For ****'s sake a few of you just ask me " What is your angle" and when I tells the kids " I thought it was funny" you know what they says? Says I must have an angle because I always have an angle. Well **** me....that's me pigeon holed init? That's me in a situation where this whole goddamn post can be nothing but lalalala and it won't make no nevermind to none of you all because no matter what I type it gets translated into "here some random as ****, out of nowhere, addresses nothing, Wilder support"

            Notice I am not laughing. Those emotes I post are not for flippancy. When I laugh at y'all it's because you genuinely tickled me not because I'm an insecure little ****. The things I say stay where I said them unless you bring them with you and if everything I say bothers you so maybe you ought to get off these nuts and analyze why because up until recent I thought we had a pretty good back and forth where we're able to make jokes and light without anyone taking it too personal but how the **** am I meant to believe you are not taking it personal when you follow me around carrying **** I've said it the past with you?

            If you are still wanting an argument somewhere I left bubba I promise I just missed the quote, bump me again and I'll set-to. Ain't no reason for you to carry words in your heart or to **** up a Marciano thread because I said nice **** about Wilder.
            You didn't say who you were talking about. That gives me the right to assume.

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            • Marchegiano
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              #7
              Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
              You didn't say who you were talking about. That gives me the right to assume.
              There must be an angle at all times?

              This thread was about the Phantom Overhead solely. Marciano is just the only man I rep often it could be applicable to.

              Morrison used a variant and for a more current reference I'm absolutely sure you've seen Cunningham's big looping right that dropped Tyson is a very nice example.

              Tyson's famous Home Run Hook is similar as well.

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