Tom Loeffler implying Canelo is still using PED's

[Citizen Koba]

Of course he was tested after the fight. Nevada commission requires testing directly after the fight if drug testing is part of the contract. And WBC clean boxing program requires post fight testing. And Canelo on top of that is also enrolled in year round testing with VADA. It's literally impossible for him to not of been tested after the fight unless VADA, Nevada and WBC all lying in a conspiracy working together. It would of been reported if he didn't. My point is BEFORE the fight they demanded longer more strict testing and praised VADA as being the gold standard and uncorruptible. Now canelo did and passed every test and now clown boy loeffler crying and accusing VADA of being corrupt. Why sign for the fight and agree to drug testing if you just going to refuse to accept the results and make accusations anyway?


And his story doesn't even add up because how can you schedule a day and time for another fighter to be tested? That defeats the purpose of random testing and his claim is 1 week after the fight. Why the phuk would anyone be cheating that long after a fight? He already won the fight and is on vacation resting up not even in training camp. Loeffler embarrassing himself and has nothing but excuses because GGG got his face broken.

Yeah. You're a little obsessed with anything to do with Golovkin, man. It taints your thinking.

Regardless of what pre-fight testing was done, if the testing schedule was supposed to have included a post fight test in the following week then that should have been done - for both fighters. Otherwise why schedule it at all? If part of the schedule was not adhered to then Loeffler does have some cause for complaint, I'd say.

But that's really what I'm trying to understand here... what is the point in a further test a few days or a week after the fight if a test has been completed on fight night. Why was this test scheduled? I'm not coming at this from the angle of trying to call Canelo a cheater or somesuch, but simply for my own more complete understanding of how VADA testing works and why what is done is done when it's done. You got any ideas?

Oh yeah. And 'It would have been reported if they hadn't' may be good enough for you, but I'm an ol cynic who prefers actual evidence to assumptions. I'm fairly sure you're correct - that was my natural assumption, but once again I'm left wondering what the need was for a further test in that case.

[bigdunny1]

Yeah. You're a little obsessed with anything to do with Golovkin, man. It taints your thinking.

Regardless of what pre-fight testing was done, if the testing schedule was supposed to have included a post fight test in the following week then that should have been done - for both fighters. Otherwise why schedule it at all? If part of the schedule was not adhered to then Loeffler does have some cause for complaint, I'd say.

But that's really what I'm trying to understand here... what is the point in a further test a few days or a week after the fight if a test has been completed on fight night. Why was this test scheduled? I'm not coming at this from the angle of trying to call Canelo a cheater or somesuch, but simply for my own more complete understanding of how VADA testing works and why what is done is done when it's done. You got any ideas?

Oh yeah. And 'It would have been reported if they hadn't' may be good enough for you, but I'm an ol cynic who prefers actual evidence to assumptions. I'm fairly sure you're correct - that was my natural assumption, but once again I'm left wondering what the need was for a further test in that case.

Canelo was tested after the fight that's not opinion that's fact. Nevada, WBC and VADA rules all require a immediate test after the fight. Whatever this so called test that loeffler is talking about must be something different but it makes no sense because you can't tell VADA who and when to conduct their random tests. And if this was the immediate test after the fight then it wouldn't be 1 week after the fight and loeffler brings this up after a fan boy tweet 2 months after the fight is pure sour g****s. If something corrupt happened with the testing why didn't he bring it up 2 months ago or file a complaint with the commission, WBC or VADA? It doesn't make sense to you or anyone else because it's horse shyt and I'm glad he's getting roasted on Twitter and being called a cry baby.

FACT canelo took and passed every VADA test and is still enrolled in year round random testing he looked and preformed even better with the additional strict testing. GGG lost and loeffler just keeps crying and looking for excuses to blame anyone but GGG who's own trainer threw him under the bus for not doing what he was supposed to do in the ring. GGG lost not because of judges, hand wraps, drug testing, etc but because in the 2 biggest fights of his career he missed a historic 1100 punches while being outlanded in power punches in both fights and landing just a combined 14 body shots. Did VADA make GGG scared to throw body punches? Did VADA make GGG backup run from a Mexican Style fight and get his face broken by the smaller man? Loeffler refuses to talk about or acknowledge any of these factors and just keeps blaming and making excuses.

[strykr619]

Why are we still talking about this? Canelo was caught cheating sure but he did what he had to do for the rematch and won, GGG should have listened to his corner, hell i was screaming at the TV because he kept headhunting instead of breaking down that body in the first 6 rounds.

Was always taught to me, to break a fighter work the body. GGG thru his career did this well, why did he abandon it now?

IMO the first fight should of went to GGG but the draw was excusable but the rematch Canelo did what he had to. GGG needs to go back to what works and earn that 3rd fight (IF HE WANTS IT that is).

Still a GGG fan but I'm getting tired of the whining.

[Citizen Koba]

Canelo was tested after the fight that's not opinion that's fact. Nevada, WBC and VADA rules all require a immediate test after the fight. Whatever this so called test that loeffler is talking about must be something different but it makes no sense because you can't tell VADA who and when to conduct their random tests. And if this was the immediate test after the fight then it wouldn't be 1 week after the fight and loeffler brings this up after a fan boy tweet 2 months after the fight is pure sour g****s. If something corrupt happened with the testing why didn't he bring it up 2 months ago or file a complaint with the commission, WBC or VADA? It's horse shyt and I'm glad he's getting roasted on Twitter and being called a cry baby.

FACT canelo took and passed every VADA test and is still enrolled in year round random testing he looked and preformed even better with the additional strict testing. GGG lost and loeffler just keeps crying and looking for excuses to blame anyone but GGG who's own trainer threw him under the bus for not doing what he was supposed to do in the ring. GGG lost not because of judges, hand wraps, drug testing, etc but because in the 2 biggest fights of his career he missed a historic 1100 punches while being outlanded in power punches in both fights and landing just a combined 14 body shots. Did VADA make GGG scared to throw body punches? Did VADA make GGG backup run from a Mexican Style fight and get his face broken by the smaller man? Loeffler refuses to talk about or acknowledge any of these factors and just keeps blaming and making excuses.

Yeah. Like I say. You're hearing only what you want to hear. I'm trying to establish why VADA schedule tests a week after the fight... you got any info on that or you just interested in repeating how convincingly you think Canelo beat Golovkin on an endless loop? I already know your opinions on that and hearing them again does nothing to broaden my knowledge. What I am trying to do is get solid information on testing procedures, not fanboy / hater opinions.

I will allow that it's very pointless (and not a good look) for Loeffler to bring this up now, regardless of whether it was a legitimate concern at the time the test was cancelled, though.

[bigdunny1]

Why are we still talking about this? Canelo was caught cheating sure but he did what he had to do for the rematch and won, GGG should have listened to his corner, hell i was screaming at the TV because he kept headhunting instead of breaking down that body in the first 6 rounds.

Was always taught to me, to break a fighter work the body. GGG thru his career did this well, why did he abandon it now?

IMO the first fight should of went to GGG but the draw was excusable but the rematch Canelo did what he had to. GGG needs to go back to what works and earn that 3rd fight (IF HE WANTS IT that is).

Still a GGG fan but I'm getting tired of the whining.

This is 100% the reason why he lost. Refused to listen to his corner for the second fight in a row was scared shytless to throw any body shots and landed nothing but jabs this time backing to do it and getting his face broken. Now after telling the world after the first fight that the reason he missed 500 punches and threw no body shots (8) was because Canelo ran and that he wouldn't let the fight go the judges in the rematch and that if Canelo fights Mexican Style he knocks him out easily. Well in the rematch he ACTUALLY missed more punches (600+) threw even fewer body shots (6) and Canelo walked him down giving him the Mexican Style fight he begged for. Not only did he not knockout Canelo he tapped out the Mexican Style fight and wanted to back up and jab his way to another decision.

GGG trainer Able Sanchez answer when directly asked was why GGG was backing up from Canelo after they demanded Mexican Style talk and was that the game plan you had.

“I wanted Golovkin to fight Canelo. If Canelo was gonna stand in the middle of the ring, I wanted him to fight Canelo. He decided it was better to do the things that he did." - Able Sanchez

Asked a follow up on why he did that

“If I start to make excuses about Golovkin, then I’m taking away from the victory of Canelo, and that’s ridiculous. We as coaches can only coach them and do the best we can in the gym and have a game plan. When we get in there, they see things that maybe are better for them. We can’t force them to do something they don’t want to do." - Able Sanchez

Everything else is just whining and excuse making because GGG refused to fight Mexican Style, refused to listen to his corner and couldn't make any adjustments that's why he lost.