Comments Thread For: Wilder: Hearn Treated Ortiz Like Clown, All Unfulfilled Promises

[koolkc107]

Ortiz fought like a clown . twice

Didn’t help his cause when Chisora tore Scott a new arzhole

Let’s not get it twisted Ortiz gets hype because it’s wilders best win .... in 40 fights

Guys a straight fraud trying to cash out

You guys clown yourselves with some of these posts.

You say things that prove that either you have never seen the fights you talk about or you were drunk when you did.

Ortiz fought 2 times for Matchroom and was dominant in both fights against guys trying their best to avoid actually fighting.

Chisora did not "tear Scott a new arzole"

He was arguably being outboxed, scored a KD with 15 seconds left in the round that Scott beat the count for, only to have the referee wave the fight off in a situation Scott would clearly have survived- in Wembley, go figure.

Ortiz is the truth, which is why both AJ and Whyte have ducked him twice each.

[Fabes88]

LMAO!!!!

Did you even watch the Scott fight?

It was a snoozer because one guy never even tried to fight while the other had to literally chase him around the ring.

Even so, Scott hit the canvas 6 times.

As for Allen, Ortiz dominated and stopped him faster than he has ever been stopped.

And BTW, since when is having less than great fights every single time a reason not to fight someone? You can eliminate at least half of most fighters resumes if that was the case.

Ortiz dominated Allen much more decisively than Povetkin beat china-chinned Price his fight prior yet that didn't stop AJ from fighting THAT mandatory. I didn't hear any fans talking about how that fight disqualified Povetkin from getting a shot. Yet, when Ortiz was a mandatory all we heard were excuses.

You mean the mandatory that was ordered? Yeah it didn’t stop aj from fighting him.

[Marchegiano]

I dont think they are hiding away from Wilder at all, its actually the opposite and their respective resume proves that. Not only that their teams prove it. When Wilder won the WBC belt his own manager said he wasn't ready yet for the bigger names.

So if you're a critic of those words pointed out from your post where were you on here criticing Wilder for following the low resistant path until when he stepped up to fight Ortiz after 39 odd fights.

Just an absurd amount of spin and misinformation.

Their resumes are evidence of one of them starting as an unknown while the other debuted with historical fanfare.

The details of how Joshua's fights came to be do not reflect a Joshua looking to make great fights but rather great fights coming to Joshua. Whyte, Martin, Wlad, Parker, and Povetkin is a great resume, bar none the best, but Whyte, Martin, Wlad, Parker, and Sasha all pursued Joshua not the other way around.

Shelly was Wlad's manager. Why isn't this worded as Wilder called Wlad out, Wlad said Wilder needs to get more fights, and the manager they shared agreed with Wlad? That is what happened. If I was as propagandist as you I'd claim Wlad and Wlad's manager ducked ducked Wilder publicly.

[Laligalaliga]

All this talk that Joshua is a better fighter because he sells out stadiums is hogwash. Joshua is the most protected fighter in the heavyweight division. The real reason he has avoided Ortiz and his PR people talk about how old Ortiz is to cover for him is his chin is suspect. Joshua's big claim to fame is ONLY his win over a slow, old, rusty already beaten Klitchko. He has so many belts because the heavyweight division is so thin he fought tomato cans no real threats that could punch and were his size. He has avoided any really credible big heavyweights who could punch. Ortiz would knock him out and cudos to his management team who knows this and avoids any talk of fighting Ortiz or Wilder. This lame crap of offering insulting purses then claiming the real competition don't want to fight him is baloney. If he's so good lets see a 50-50 fight without a rematch clause. NOPE! Instead hire a few folks to throw insults and stay safely tucked away in England while the real fighters fight each other. Whose next Joshua? Maybe go after Canelo or does he punch to hard for ya?

Lolx.... You sound aggrieved more than wilder. The champ must have hurt you badly.

[Laligalaliga]

Let's be honest here Joshua's claim to fame in this is winning that IBF belt from Martin who fraudulently won it from Glazkov with them not being able to continue in the 3rd plus his resume is not the best either.

Plus ask yourself why did Joshua pass on the Ortiz fight and why did he say he would fight Miller in Brooklyn but not Wilder or at least Fury before April 13 it seems to me that all roads leads to Wilder in this situation because they are making every excuse to not make the fight period

No fccking road leads to wilder. He has never given any body a pay day since his pro career.
In fact mention one fighter that has gotten 30% against wilder.

[koolkc107]

You mean the mandatory that was ordered? Yeah it didn’t stop aj from fighting him.

Ortiz was supposed to be before Wlad, then next right after Wlad.

Neither happened. 2 ducks.

And, having it ordered didn't mean jack shyt when it was about fighting Ortiz:

IBF and WBA world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua has been ordered to fight mandatory challenger Luis Ortiz next.

Prior to Joshua’s historic April 29 fight with Wladimir Klitschko, the WBA announced that the winner would have to fight unbeaten Cuban Ortiz within 120 days.

Overnight the organisation released a statement confirming that Joshua’s team must now work with Ortiz’s team to come to an agreement, or else the fight goes to purse bids.

“The World Boxing Association Championships Committee ordered the teams behind British Anthony Joshua, current Heavyweight Champion, and Cuban Luis Ortiz, number one in the ranking at more than 200 pounds, to start negotiations for a fight between them,” their statement read.

“According to the resolution sent on January 11th, 2017, to both parties, it was reported that the winner of the Joshua-Klitschko fight, held on April 29th, 2017, had to face Ortiz after 120 days. 95 days have passed and, for this reason, the Championships Committee ordered to negotiate a fight between the British and Cuban boxers.

“Both parties were duly notified that, as of August 3rd, they have 30 days to reach an agreement or the fight will be called to purse bids.”

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anth...ht-luis-ortiz/

[Laligalaliga]

The same Martin that Fury place a bet on to beat Joshua? For one i couldn't care less that a prospect like Joshua took the risk to fight Martin, he fought on the Wilder undercard where he won the IBF belt, he had the same manager as Wilder but Team Wilder didn't want to take the risk of fighting Martin.

Ortiz choose to fight Wilder instead of Joshua, maybe he thought that would be easier who knows? Ortiz came over here to fight but stink out the joint too.

Wilder and Fury are tied up, Joshua alone can't fight everyone. You cannot fight everyone on the same night, everyone wants to fight him because he represents their biggest payday, fine that happens with Mayweather.

If WIlder wants the fight then there is a contract waiting for him. Yeah the same slave contract that he used as an excuse to duck the fight. That slave contract still represents numbers that he has never seen before.

Big ups bro. Everything you wrote is spot on. No one on this platform can defend wilder's poor resume. Finkel did a good job to keep him away from the lion's as much as he could.

[Boxingfan8888]

Wilder had a contract to fight Joshua next

Joshua signed it

Wilder ducked him and refused to fight

Keep using Joshua to build up your fight, the arena you fight out next is half empty

The world sees wilder as the man who ducked Joshua and it hurts his small fan base

[Straightener]

You guys clown yourselves with some of these posts.

You say things that prove that either you have never seen the fights you talk about or you were drunk when you did.

Ortiz fought 2 times for Matchroom and was dominant in both fights against guys trying their best to avoid actually fighting.

Chisora did not "tear Scott a new arzole"

He was arguably being outboxed, scored a KD with 15 seconds left in the round that Scott beat the count for, only to have the referee wave the fight off in a situation Scott would clearly have survived- in Wembley, go figure.

Ortiz is the truth, which is why both AJ and Whyte have ducked him twice each.

Scott is a another American hype job .... he quit against Chisora but went twelve with the killer Ortiz

You keep blowing smoke up each other’s bums hyping up Ortiz when his only decent win is Jennings ffs

[Mrbamladen]

Ortiz was supposed to be before Wlad, then next right after Wlad.

Neither happened. 2 ducks.

And, having it ordered didn't mean jack shyt when it was about fighting Ortiz:

IBF and WBA world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua has been ordered to fight mandatory challenger Luis Ortiz next.

Prior to Joshua’s historic April 29 fight with Wladimir Klitschko, the WBA announced that the winner would have to fight unbeaten Cuban Ortiz within 120 days.

Overnight the organisation released a statement confirming that Joshua’s team must now work with Ortiz’s team to come to an agreement, or else the fight goes to purse bids.

“The World Boxing Association Championships Committee ordered the teams behind British Anthony Joshua, current Heavyweight Champion, and Cuban Luis Ortiz, number one in the ranking at more than 200 pounds, to start negotiations for a fight between them,” their statement read.

“According to the resolution sent on January 11th, 2017, to both parties, it was reported that the winner of the Joshua-Klitschko fight, held on April 29th, 2017, had to face Ortiz after 120 days. 95 days have passed and, for this reason, the Championships Committee ordered to negotiate a fight between the British and Cuban boxers.

“Both parties were duly notified that, as of August 3rd, they have 30 days to reach an agreement or the fight will be called to purse bids.”

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anth...ht-luis-ortiz/

Amen. But let's not forget in this time......they had a rematch clause with wladimir that they were willing to make happen in Las Vegas until wladimir announced his retirement. Then suddenly they had a ibf mandatory in pulev who ended up pulling out of the fight. So naturally, they ended up fighting takam. Lol. Joshua fans sure know how to overlook history and tell their own story.