Comments Thread For: Joshua vs. Usyk Could Very Well Happen in 2019, Says Hearn

[Randall Cunning]

If Joshua can't get Wilder or Fury then I'd like to see him fight three times in 2019 with Usyk being the sort of "final boss" of the year. Whyte, Pulev and Usyk would be a strong run of fights even though we'd all be disappointed by no unification

Joshua has some decent fights to keep himself busy, Whyte II, Pulev, Usyk, Miller, suspect Ortiz is on his way to Matchroom.

Wilders options aren't all that great Breazeale and Kownacki, probably Joyce is in the queue.

[Marchegiano]

How did Dillian make is way up the WBO ranking?

Feb 2 2017 Whyte is ranked 13 by the WBO.

He fights Malcolm Tann and Robert Helenius in 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius appear on the WBO ranking for 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius own a lesser belt that guarantees world ranking in the WBO.

Jan 7 2018 Whyte is ranked 5th by the WBO

Whoops Browne who was also not ranked by the WBO world fifteen and earns himself a slot. Whyte's now fourth in the WBO.

Then he whoops Parker to the international title and finally his WBO ranking makes sense, but how did he get into position for that WBO international in the first place?


Current Ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte
2. Bryant Jennings
3. Tom Schwarz
4. Jarrell Miller
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto
7. Tyrone Spong
8. Agit Kabayel
9. Otto Wallin
10. Junior Fa
11. Dereck Chisora
12. Ali Eren Demirezen
13. Richard Lartey
14. Filip Hrgovic
15. Alexander Povetkin


Feb 2017:

1. David Haye
2. Hughie Fury
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Andy Ruiz
5. David Price
6. Christian Hammer
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Edmund Gerber
9. Andrey Fedosov
10. Izuagbe Ugonoh
11. Tom Schwarz
12. Andriy Rudenko
13. Dillian Whyte
14. Razvan Cojanu
15. Kyotaro Fujimoto



What has Dillian Whyte done for the WBO to get him skipped above Tom Schwarz and why is there no push for Whyte to fight Schwarz?

Tom doesn't have names you recognize on his resume, like Helenius, or Browne, but you only recognize those names because they were over hyped ****cans most of you were waiting to see lose. Tom's resume may not have names you knew would lose but since 2015 the majority of Tom's fights have been WBO minor title fights.

It looks like on the surface of things Parker should have fought Tom but Whyte was able to step in because he's backed by money and promotion. The were both bottom of the 15 and worked their way toward the top of the fifteen in a year, but Tom did it by fighting men who mattered to the WBO and Whyte did it by having profile...there's nothing else I can think up to explain how Whyte moved up ranks without fighting ranked opposition or even minor belt holders.

That's without even bringing up how Miller is just say there, top five, the whole time and none of these three names have shared a ring.

Now we're being treated to Whyte-Chisora for the WBO's mando position? That's goddamn absurd. In a vacuum I didn't mind the Chisora fight, but now it just seems like more wasting time.

Whyte should be fighting Jarrell or Tom if he wants to be ahead of Usyk in mando. Similar to how Whyte is not the WBC mando because Dom is. The WBO should uphold the WBO's own ranking and quit giving these kids places to hid from one another.

Let's take one more look at the current WBO world ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte - One loss
2. Bryant Jennings - Two losses
3. Tom Schwarz - No losses
4. Jarrell Miller - No losses
5. Zhilei Zhang - No losses
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto - One loss
7. Tyrone Spong - No losses
8. Agit Kabayel - No losses
9. Otto Wallin - No losses
10. Junior Fa - No losses
11. Dereck Chisora - Eight losses
12. Ali Eren Demirezen - No losses
13. Richard Lartey - one loss
14. Filip Hrgovic - No losses
15. Alexander Povetkin - Two losses


I know of at least one easy way to ensure more losses and better resumes. How about the best actually fighting the best? Jesus 9 of 15 are unbeaten. Meaning the whole ****in' time they were building and getting into position they did not have to fight one another and probably won't have to fight one another to continue working toward mando.


Enough of that ****. Whyte should have to fight Usyk if Usyk decides he wants mando. Just do a final elim and if Whyte can beat Usyk then he's earned the shot. The only thing Whyte has done for the WBO was beat Parker. Who hadn't looked good since he fought Ruiz for the title anyways.

[NEETzsche]

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I completely agree with your essential point that the rankings are arbitrary nonsense and I'd love to see sanctioning bodies enforce more, and more logical, eliminators, but at the same time it's hard to deny Whyte in particular a title shot when he has the best win streak of any contender in the division. Miller is probably next in line and I'd love to see him face Whyte while they're both in winning ways but unfortunately with four separate paths to a title shot there's no real need for contenders to go out of their way to eliminate each other when they could just wait in the line for their turn

[PotentialToast]

How did Dillian make is way up the WBO ranking?

Feb 2 2017 Whyte is ranked 13 by the WBO.

He fights Malcolm Tann and Robert Helenius in 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius appear on the WBO ranking for 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius own a lesser belt that guarantees world ranking in the WBO.

Jan 7 2018 Whyte is ranked 5th by the WBO

Whoops Browne who was also not ranked by the WBO world fifteen and earns himself a slot. Whyte's now fourth in the WBO.

Then he whoops Parker to the international title and finally his WBO ranking makes sense, but how did he get into position for that WBO international in the first place?


Current Ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte
2. Bryant Jennings
3. Tom Schwarz
4. Jarrell Miller
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto
7. Tyrone Spong
8. Agit Kabayel
9. Otto Wallin
10. Junior Fa
11. Dereck Chisora
12. Ali Eren Demirezen
13. Richard Lartey
14. Filip Hrgovic
15. Alexander Povetkin


Feb 2017:

1. David Haye
2. Hughie Fury
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Andy Ruiz
5. David Price
6. Christian Hammer
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Edmund Gerber
9. Andrey Fedosov
10. Izuagbe Ugonoh
11. Tom Schwarz
12. Andriy Rudenko
13. Dillian Whyte
14. Razvan Cojanu
15. Kyotaro Fujimoto



What has Dillian Whyte done for the WBO to get him skipped above Tom Schwarz and why is there no push for Whyte to fight Schwarz?

Tom doesn't have names you recognize on his resume, like Helenius, or Browne, but you only recognize those names because they were over hyped ****cans most of you were waiting to see lose. Tom's resume may not have names you knew would lose but since 2015 the majority of Tom's fights have been WBO minor title fights.

It looks like on the surface of things Parker should have fought Tom but Whyte was able to step in because he's backed by money and promotion. The were both bottom of the 15 and worked their way toward the top of the fifteen in a year, but Tom did it by fighting men who mattered to the WBO and Whyte did it by having profile...there's nothing else I can think up to explain how Whyte moved up ranks without fighting ranked opposition or even minor belt holders.

That's without even bringing up how Miller is just say there, top five, the whole time and none of these three names have shared a ring.

Now we're being treated to Whyte-Chisora for the WBO's mando position? That's goddamn absurd. In a vacuum I didn't mind the Chisora fight, but now it just seems like more wasting time.

Whyte should be fighting Jarrell or Tom if he wants to be ahead of Usyk in mando. Similar to how Whyte is not the WBC mando because Dom is. The WBO should uphold the WBO's own ranking and quit giving these kids places to hid from one another.

Let's take one more look at the current WBO world ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte - One loss
2. Bryant Jennings - Two losses
3. Tom Schwarz - No losses
4. Jarrell Miller - No losses
5. Zhilei Zhang - No losses
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto - One loss
7. Tyrone Spong - No losses
8. Agit Kabayel - No losses
9. Otto Wallin - No losses
10. Junior Fa - No losses
11. Dereck Chisora - Eight losses
12. Ali Eren Demirezen - No losses
13. Richard Lartey - one loss
14. Filip Hrgovic - No losses
15. Alexander Povetkin - Two losses


I know of at least one easy way to ensure more losses and better resumes. How about the best actually fighting the best? Jesus 9 of 15 are unbeaten. Meaning the whole ****in' time they were building and getting into position they did not have to fight one another and probably won't have to fight one another to continue working toward mando.


Enough of that ****. Whyte should have to fight Usyk if Usyk decides he wants mando. Just do a final elim and if Whyte can beat Usyk then he's earned the shot. The only thing Whyte has done for the WBO was beat Parker. Who hadn't looked good since he fought Ruiz for the title anyways.

Great post

[Boksfan]

War Usyk! School them English muffins!

[Adamsc151]

How did Dillian make is way up the WBO ranking?

Feb 2 2017 Whyte is ranked 13 by the WBO.

He fights Malcolm Tann and Robert Helenius in 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius appear on the WBO ranking for 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius own a lesser belt that guarantees world ranking in the WBO.

Jan 7 2018 Whyte is ranked 5th by the WBO

Whoops Browne who was also not ranked by the WBO world fifteen and earns himself a slot. Whyte's now fourth in the WBO.

Then he whoops Parker to the international title and finally his WBO ranking makes sense, but how did he get into position for that WBO international in the first place?


Current Ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte
2. Bryant Jennings
3. Tom Schwarz
4. Jarrell Miller
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto
7. Tyrone Spong
8. Agit Kabayel
9. Otto Wallin
10. Junior Fa
11. Dereck Chisora
12. Ali Eren Demirezen
13. Richard Lartey
14. Filip Hrgovic
15. Alexander Povetkin


Feb 2017:

1. David Haye
2. Hughie Fury
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Andy Ruiz
5. David Price
6. Christian Hammer
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Edmund Gerber
9. Andrey Fedosov
10. Izuagbe Ugonoh
11. Tom Schwarz
12. Andriy Rudenko
13. Dillian Whyte
14. Razvan Cojanu
15. Kyotaro Fujimoto



What has Dillian Whyte done for the WBO to get him skipped above Tom Schwarz and why is there no push for Whyte to fight Schwarz?

Tom doesn't have names you recognize on his resume, like Helenius, or Browne, but you only recognize those names because they were over hyped ****cans most of you were waiting to see lose. Tom's resume may not have names you knew would lose but since 2015 the majority of Tom's fights have been WBO minor title fights.

It looks like on the surface of things Parker should have fought Tom but Whyte was able to step in because he's backed by money and promotion. The were both bottom of the 15 and worked their way toward the top of the fifteen in a year, but Tom did it by fighting men who mattered to the WBO and Whyte did it by having profile...there's nothing else I can think up to explain how Whyte moved up ranks without fighting ranked opposition or even minor belt holders.

That's without even bringing up how Miller is just say there, top five, the whole time and none of these three names have shared a ring.

Now we're being treated to Whyte-Chisora for the WBO's mando position? That's goddamn absurd. In a vacuum I didn't mind the Chisora fight, but now it just seems like more wasting time.

Whyte should be fighting Jarrell or Tom if he wants to be ahead of Usyk in mando. Similar to how Whyte is not the WBC mando because Dom is. The WBO should uphold the WBO's own ranking and quit giving these kids places to hid from one another.

Let's take one more look at the current WBO world ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte - One loss
2. Bryant Jennings - Two losses
3. Tom Schwarz - No losses
4. Jarrell Miller - No losses
5. Zhilei Zhang - No losses
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto - One loss
7. Tyrone Spong - No losses
8. Agit Kabayel - No losses
9. Otto Wallin - No losses
10. Junior Fa - No losses
11. Dereck Chisora - Eight losses
12. Ali Eren Demirezen - No losses
13. Richard Lartey - one loss
14. Filip Hrgovic - No losses
15. Alexander Povetkin - Two losses


I know of at least one easy way to ensure more losses and better resumes. How about the best actually fighting the best? Jesus 9 of 15 are unbeaten. Meaning the whole ****in' time they were building and getting into position they did not have to fight one another and probably won't have to fight one another to continue working toward mando.


Enough of that ****. Whyte should have to fight Usyk if Usyk decides he wants mando. Just do a final elim and if Whyte can beat Usyk then he's earned the shot. The only thing Whyte has done for the WBO was beat Parker. Who hadn't looked good since he fought Ruiz for the title anyways.

Well sad as it is, all 4 of the main sanctioning bodies seem to judge rankings based upon financial backing and reputation - in other words, who's going to make them the most money in sanctioning/promotion fees?

It would be great if the rankings were more in line with the independent ones like boxrec or iwbr; but it's an entertainment business as well as a genuine sport, so the fat-cats are here to stay.

[Breno G]

Usyk would destroy Joshua. Period

[Jax teller]

How did Dillian make is way up the WBO ranking?

Feb 2 2017 Whyte is ranked 13 by the WBO.

He fights Malcolm Tann and Robert Helenius in 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius appear on the WBO ranking for 2017. Neither Tann nor Helenius own a lesser belt that guarantees world ranking in the WBO.

Jan 7 2018 Whyte is ranked 5th by the WBO

Whoops Browne who was also not ranked by the WBO world fifteen and earns himself a slot. Whyte's now fourth in the WBO.

Then he whoops Parker to the international title and finally his WBO ranking makes sense, but how did he get into position for that WBO international in the first place?


Current Ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte
2. Bryant Jennings
3. Tom Schwarz
4. Jarrell Miller
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto
7. Tyrone Spong
8. Agit Kabayel
9. Otto Wallin
10. Junior Fa
11. Dereck Chisora
12. Ali Eren Demirezen
13. Richard Lartey
14. Filip Hrgovic
15. Alexander Povetkin


Feb 2017:

1. David Haye
2. Hughie Fury
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Andy Ruiz
5. David Price
6. Christian Hammer
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Edmund Gerber
9. Andrey Fedosov
10. Izuagbe Ugonoh
11. Tom Schwarz
12. Andriy Rudenko
13. Dillian Whyte
14. Razvan Cojanu
15. Kyotaro Fujimoto



What has Dillian Whyte done for the WBO to get him skipped above Tom Schwarz and why is there no push for Whyte to fight Schwarz?

Tom doesn't have names you recognize on his resume, like Helenius, or Browne, but you only recognize those names because they were over hyped ****cans most of you were waiting to see lose. Tom's resume may not have names you knew would lose but since 2015 the majority of Tom's fights have been WBO minor title fights.

It looks like on the surface of things Parker should have fought Tom but Whyte was able to step in because he's backed by money and promotion. The were both bottom of the 15 and worked their way toward the top of the fifteen in a year, but Tom did it by fighting men who mattered to the WBO and Whyte did it by having profile...there's nothing else I can think up to explain how Whyte moved up ranks without fighting ranked opposition or even minor belt holders.

That's without even bringing up how Miller is just say there, top five, the whole time and none of these three names have shared a ring.

Now we're being treated to Whyte-Chisora for the WBO's mando position? That's goddamn absurd. In a vacuum I didn't mind the Chisora fight, but now it just seems like more wasting time.

Whyte should be fighting Jarrell or Tom if he wants to be ahead of Usyk in mando. Similar to how Whyte is not the WBC mando because Dom is. The WBO should uphold the WBO's own ranking and quit giving these kids places to hid from one another.

Let's take one more look at the current WBO world ranks:

1. Dillian Whyte - One loss
2. Bryant Jennings - Two losses
3. Tom Schwarz - No losses
4. Jarrell Miller - No losses
5. Zhilei Zhang - No losses
6. Kyotaro Fujimoto - One loss
7. Tyrone Spong - No losses
8. Agit Kabayel - No losses
9. Otto Wallin - No losses
10. Junior Fa - No losses
11. Dereck Chisora - Eight losses
12. Ali Eren Demirezen - No losses
13. Richard Lartey - one loss
14. Filip Hrgovic - No losses
15. Alexander Povetkin - Two losses


I know of at least one easy way to ensure more losses and better resumes. How about the best actually fighting the best? Jesus 9 of 15 are unbeaten. Meaning the whole ****in' time they were building and getting into position they did not have to fight one another and probably won't have to fight one another to continue working toward mando.


Enough of that ****. Whyte should have to fight Usyk if Usyk decides he wants mando. Just do a final elim and if Whyte can beat Usyk then he's earned the shot. The only thing Whyte has done for the WBO was beat Parker. Who hadn't looked good since he fought Ruiz for the title anyways.

This seems to be the cases across the board though, Ortiz and Fury both seemed to have managed to get into top rankings by doing relatively nothing.

[Dana White Sr]

lol at joshua beating usyk.

there's levels to this shyt, skill and iq, usyk is much superior not only to joshua but the rest of the heavyweight division. unless usyk can't take the punch, he should clean up this sorry ass division.

i'm actually surprised from a business perspective, hearn is even thinking about this fight though.

[Marchegiano]

This seems to be the cases across the board though, Ortiz and Fury both seemed to have managed to get into top rankings by doing relatively nothing.

Fair point bubba.

Most times I can explain away how someone got into top rank without fighting a ranked opponent by what titles they did fight for. Most regional titles and silly named belts, like diamond, so actually have a function. They guarantee ranking on an affiliate's world ranks.

In the UK is it relatively easy to get on the world ranks in just a few fights because the BBBofC and the EBU are WBC affiliates whose titles guarantee position on the WBC ranking.

So, from my perspective I am used to seeing Brits be ranked on the WBC board without having done much yet.

Looking at Tyson directly he seems to have done something similar:

BBBofC, CBC, and EBU are WBC, WBO-IC is obviously WBO. The BUI is WBA.

The only body I can not find a legitimate means to rank Fury under is the IBF. The same fellas who stripped him. I imagine they were not doing Tyson any favors because Tyson did them none. It'd be Glazkov who had the IBF tied up.

Ortiz:

I feel like you can't miss Ortiz's affiliations. World Boxing Council FECARBOX Heavyweight Title.

FECARBOX = Central American and Caribbean Boxing Federation.

Obviously an affiliate of the WBC similar to the BUI, BBBofC, CBC, or EBU is over your way.

Next for Luis is the World Boxing Association FEDELATIN Heavyweight Title

FEDELATIN = Latin American Boxing Federation, just like FECARBOX but the WBA's.

The next two are even more obvious. WBO Latino and WBC Latino. Latino, jic you're wondering, covers more area than FECARBOX. It's like the EBU to the BBBofC.

Just like with Fury I see how Ortiz has paid the WBC, WBA, and WBO some favors, but, I do not see anything for the IBF and likewise the IBF has given him nothing. It's the WBA and WBC who brought him from latino ranks to the world and gave him multiple shots at not being a drug cheat.

Dillian:

All WBC all the time until Parker.

WBC-IS, WBC-I, BBBofC, CBC, WBC-S, and then WBO-I out of nowhere.

The IBF and WBA have no reason to give him any favors. The WBO only just now have a reason to have him ranked on their board and they've popped him in at number one even though the WBO-I only guarantees a top ten position.

I think Tom Schwarz has earned an elim if he wants it and Usyk has certainly, definitely, done more and brought more legitimacy to the WBO then Whyte has. If Usyk wants it I think he's earned the right to force mando position. Within their own rules.