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  • Southpawology
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    #21
    Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
    First of all, they can't whine about the weight after accepting it going into the fight. That's a pretty bitch move. I don't respect fighters who do that. If you gonna complain later, don't agree to it in the first place.

    Second, there's something called adjustment. As a good trainer or fighter, you go to plan B, even C. One way is to hit him back low and get dirty with him right away or even a round later. Another is to use superb defense, or even average defense, for someone like Salido.

    14 fighters have found a way to beat Salido. 14 losses is the record of a classic journeyman. Whatever happened to the Matrix?

    Finally, someone like Salido shouldn't have touched him for a fighter as overhyped as Loma. The new God of some fans. He better blow Pedraza out of the water!

    Others can add more things that could have been done.

    He fought salido in his SECOND professional fight. HIS SECOND PRO FIGHT. No fighter jumps right in and fights a salido type caliber opponent in their 2nd fight.

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      #22
      Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
      First of all, they can't whine about the weight after accepting it going into the fight. That's a pretty bitch move. I don't respect fighters who do that. If you gonna complain later, don't agree to it in the first place.

      Second, there's something called adjustment. As a good trainer or fighter, you go to plan B, even C. One way is to hit him back low and get dirty with him right away or even a round later. Another is to use superb defense, or even average defense, for someone like Salido.

      14 fighters have found a way to beat Salido. 14 losses is the record of a classic journeyman. Whatever happened to the Matrix?

      Finally, someone like Salido shouldn't have touched him for a fighter as overhyped as Loma. The new God of some fans. He better blow Pedraza out of the water!

      Others can add more things that could have been done.
      Pedraza landed almost as many punches on Davis in seven rounds than Salido on Loma in twelve rounds.
      Also, Loma's team have made zero excuses for the Salido fight.
      Anatoly is also learning professional boxing just like Loma.
      It's not like he had pro experience before. If anyone has to be blamed for the weight issue and all the low blows in that fight it's Egis Klimas and Top Rank. Klimas should have been on top of that, but he wasn't. Klimas lets his emotions get the better of him. It also happened for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.
      You can call Salido a journeyman, but he has accomplished more than anyone Davis has been in the ring with in twenty fights.
      Tell Davis to step up. I'm getting tired of you Davis fans talking but then say the fight is a few years away.

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        #23
        Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
        Pedraza landed almost as many punches on Davis in seven rounds than Salido on Loma in twelve rounds.
        Also, Loma's team have made zero excuses for the Salido fight.
        Anatoly is also learning professional boxing just like Loma.
        It's not like he had pro experience before. If anyone has to be blamed for the weight issue and all the low blows in that fight it's Egis Klimas and Top Rank. Klimas should have been on top of that, but he wasn't. Klimas lets his emotions get the better of him. It also happened for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.
        You can call Salido a journeyman, but he has accomplished more than anyone Davis has been in the ring with in twenty fights.
        Tell Davis to step up. I'm getting tired of you Davis fans talking but then say the fight is a few years away.


        Davis cant even make weight and hes too busy *****ing floyds teenage daughter .

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          #24
          Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
          First of all, they can't whine about the weight after accepting it going into the fight. That's a pretty bitch move. I don't respect fighters who do that. If you gonna complain later, don't agree to it in the first place.

          Second, there's something called adjustment. As a good trainer or fighter, you go to plan B, even C. One way is to hit him back low and get dirty with him right away or even a round later. Another is to use superb defense, or even average defense, for someone like Salido.

          14 fighters have found a way to beat Salido. 14 losses is the record of a classic journeyman. Whatever happened to the Matrix?

          Finally, someone like Salido shouldn't have touched him for a fighter as overhyped as Loma. The new God of some fans. He better blow Pedraza out of the water!

          Others can add more things that could have been done.
          Lomachenko has come a far way from his first fight.

          When watching his first couple pro fights I dont think he was lying when he said he needed to adjust to the pros.

          The two things he definitely learned that fight was to turn up the heat way sooner rather than box all 12 rounds and how to fight dirty.

          In his fights since instead of waiting till like the 6-9 round to turn it up he's turning it up as soon as the 2nd round. My biggest gripe with lomachenko now is that when he turns it up he gets WAY too ****y. That's how he walked into that short right. He was all over smothering Linares and didnt even see the shot.

          Hopefully he learns like he did from his first loss.

          But as far as for you A, B, C thing I dont think it works as easy like that. There are things you can do, but punching them back in the **** one isnt the right thing to do, and two, it's tough to consistently block low blows because it consistently leaves your head open.

          Lomachenko might be overhyped now, but usually we have to wait till the end of their career to judge them on what they did. Loma isnt doing so bad.

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            #25
            Who is training Usyk for this fight? I know he was with Anber between Bashir and Vatamanyuk and was with Anber again for the Gassiev fight, but I haven't seen any mention of a trainer for the Bellew fight.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Southpawology
              He fought salido in his SECOND professional fight. HIS SECOND PRO FIGHT. No fighter jumps right in and fights a salido type caliber opponent in their 2nd fight.
              So, Loma was inexperienced? His trainer too? All the amateur fights out the window? Why take it then, if you gonna use that as an excuse later?

              These excuses don't serve Loma well. Does he use them too?

              Don't forget that fight was recent. 3 or 4 years ago?

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                #27
                Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
                So, Loma was inexperienced? His trainer too? All the amateur fights out the window? Why take it then, if you gonna use that as an excuse later?

                These excuses don't serve Loma well. Does he use them too?

                Don't forget that fight was recent. 3 or 4 years ago?
                Reckon this is a fair point.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Socialtwinkie
                  Lomachenko has come a far way from his first fight.

                  When watching his first couple pro fights I dont think he was lying when he said he needed to adjust to the pros.

                  The two things he definitely learned that fight was to turn up the heat way sooner rather than box all 12 rounds and how to fight dirty.

                  In his fights since instead of waiting till like the 6-9 round to turn it up he's turning it up as soon as the 2nd round. My biggest gripe with lomachenko now is that when he turns it up he gets WAY too ****y. That's how he walked into that short right. He was all over smothering Linares and didnt even see the shot.

                  Hopefully he learns like he did from his first loss.

                  But as far as for you A, B, C thing I dont think it works as easy like that. There are things you can do, but punching them back in the **** one isnt the right thing to do, and two, it's tough to consistently block low blows because it consistently leaves your head open.

                  Lomachenko might be overhyped now, but usually we have to wait till the end of their career to judge them on what they did. Loma isnt doing so bad.
                  That's exactly the right thing to do if the ref is doing nothing about it. Loma now knows that so well. He gets dirty himself too.

                  People like Salido and Golota don't know any other language than paying them right back.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
                    So, Loma was inexperienced? His trainer too? All the amateur fights out the window? Why take it then, if you gonna use that as an excuse later?

                    These excuses don't serve Loma well. Does he use them too?

                    Don't forget that fight was recent. 3 or 4 years ago?

                    Yes actually he was inexperienced. It was his first time ever going 12 rounds. Hes used to doing 3 and 4 rounds in the amateurs this is why when boxers go pro they do 4 rounders and not immediately just jump into 12 round fights let alone against a battle tested veteran like salido.

                    He had to take it to make up for the lost time of being an amateur so long . If he didnt take it he would still be fighting tomato cans right now padding his record out while he gets older and older.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
                      Pedraza landed almost as many punches on Davis in seven rounds than Salido on Loma in twelve rounds.
                      Also, Loma's team have made zero excuses for the Salido fight.
                      Anatoly is also learning professional boxing just like Loma.
                      It's not like he had pro experience before. If anyone has to be blamed for the weight issue and all the low blows in that fight it's Egis Klimas and Top Rank. Klimas should have been on top of that, but he wasn't. Klimas lets his emotions get the better of him. It also happened for the Ward-Kovalev rematch.
                      You can call Salido a journeyman, but he has accomplished more than anyone Davis has been in the ring with in twenty fights.
                      Tell Davis to step up. I'm getting tired of you Davis fans talking but then say the fight is a few years away.
                      Blame everyone but Loma and team.

                      Loma better blow Pedraza out of the water. Some are starting to use the shoulder surgery excuse already. I'm sure it'll be used again later. Why not just not take the fight now?

                      Gervonta pulverizes his opposition while Loma dances with someone like Linares and goes live and death with him (I do like his style, tho.).

                      People like Salido and Linares won't last 5 rounds with Davis. Davis is coming for Loma. Better be more than 100%.

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