Andre Ward: GGG NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT! HE NEVER WANTED TO TAKE ANY RISK!

[TonyGe]

Media hypes so what's ggg and Abel and Tom's excuse? There are direct links, video, and quotes above but you cherry picking tiny technicalities from overwhelming evidence.

They said what they said hence it caused the media to pick up on it (causation). Now they are eating crow.
Loeffler is a good promoter. He got hbo/espn to push Roman and ggg as p4p #1 and 2, transcendent talent, atg hype. Doesn't excuse the fact that Roman shouldn't have been p4p #1 and ggg is a good fighter who didn't take the risks to be considered great and has egg on his face for talking trash.

And watch you focus on Roman deserved to be #1 (he threw such amazing combinations!) and ignore all the ggg facts.

Tiny technicallity?? When the fighter, you know, the guy who actually gets in the ring, says he will not fight at a catchweight and follows through with it I tend to believe him.

[Bjl12]

Christ, I'm just going to block this dude. Don't want to read this nonsense. Facts are facts and he provides nothing concrete, as well as twisting things. Another fatass NSB poster with 0 boxing experience living vicariously through their boxing idols. Lmao.

There is no mythical A side with the power to demand and expect to get
every term of negotiations. Life don't work that way. It's two guys trying to get the best deal for themselves. Canelo has drawing power and Golovkin had the titles. Very few Middleweight title holders have ever defended their title at a catchweight. Golovkin made it clear on camera during an ESPN interview that he would only fight Mayweather at a catchweight. That's directly from the fighter not his trainer or promoter. So far he's stuck to that. Personally no title should change hands at a catchweight fight be it Golovkin or anyone else. Canelo and Golovkin ended up fighting twice the fans got to see it so what the problem.

Canelo wasn't waiting for anything, however, you could complain he was flexing his "A" side prowess. Have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with boxing, not Canelo.

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 170 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

The point is:

Catchweights have been used in boxing for a LONG time and the "A" side gets the benefit of the negotiations. Do you need me to explain why Canelo was "A" side? It'll be a short discussion.

These GennadyCUCKS stay ducking and for good reason.

#Ether
#ManDown

[TonyGe]

Canelo wasn't waiting for anything, however, you could complain he was flexing his "A" side prowess. Have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with boxing, not Canelo.

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 170 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

The point is:

Catchweights have been used in boxing for a LONG time and the "A" side gets the benefit of the negotiations. Do you need me to explain why Canelo was "A" side? It'll be a short discussion.

These GennadyCUCKS stay ducking and for good reason.

#Ether
#ManDown

The A side had to give in on weight because they ended up fighting at middleweight. So flexing his imaginary A side muscle got him nowhere on the weight issue. He also had to give in regarding the purse split and weight for the rematch.

By the way what's up with this??

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 170 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

Danmed near everyone of the guys on this list that gave up weight lost their fight. JCC looked like the walking dead against Canelo. Is that why you wanted so desperately for Golovkin to fight Canelo at a catchweight?? Like I said Golovkin won the weight issue in negotiations and Canelo came out ahead fianancially. A result both guys could live with. Don't know why your so upset that they fought at the middleweight limit. Your going on and on about this weight issue even though the fight got done. As it was they were competitive fights. Obviously Canelo had been sandbagging over weight for quite a while since he had to fight over the JM limit numerous times and now is willing to take on a 168 pound champion. I have to acknowledge though that Fielding isn't very good.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Canelo wasn't waiting for anything, however, you could complain he was flexing his "A" side prowess. Have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with boxing, not Canelo.

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 170 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

The point is:

Catchweights have been used in boxing for a LONG time and the "A" side gets the benefit of the negotiations. Do you need me to explain why Canelo was "A" side? It'll be a short discussion.

These GennadyCUCKS stay ducking and for good reason.

#Ether
#ManDown

The a side can demand whatever he wants. Doesnt mean that every other person has to trade in their dignity and self worth. Golovkin didnt fold. And he got the fight how he wanted. Those guys chose to do a catchweight. They didnt have to. Golovkin didnt have to either, and he didnt, and still got paid.

[TonyGe]

The a side can demand whatever he wants. Doesnt mean that every other person has to trade in their dignity and self worth. Golovkin didnt fold. And he got the fight how he wanted. Those guys chose to do a catchweight. They didnt have to. Golovkin didnt have to either, and he didnt, and still got paid.

Good post. Short and to the point.

[Bjl12]

Canelo wasn't waiting for anything, however, you could complain he was flexing his "A" side prowess. Have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with boxing, not Canelo.

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 170 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

The point is:

Catchweights have been used in boxing for a LONG time and the "A" side gets the benefit of the negotiations. Do you need me to explain why Canelo was "A" side? It'll be a short discussion.

These GennadyCUCKS stay ducking and for good reason.

#Ether
#ManDown

The a side can demand whatever he wants. Doesnt mean that every other person has to trade in their dignity and self worth. Golovkin didnt fold. And he got the fight how he wanted. Those guys chose to do a catchweight. They didnt have to. Golovkin didnt have to either, and he didnt, and still got paid.

Real boxer

You are 100% right. Nobody has to bend to the "A" sides demands, but they can't turn around and whine about being ducked in the same breath.

Gennady was offered fights with Cotto and Canelo, but he refused to bend. Gennady's Loss.

He did later get one of the fights he wanted on his own terms, especially the rematch (55-45 split which was up from the 65-35 originally proposed), but he can't whine that anyone ducked him.

My original post was made at this clown for suggesting Canelo "waited" for Gennady to get "old". No. Canelo didn't fight at 160 until 2017. That fight was against JCC Jr. at a CW of 164 and the CW was for JCC - not Canelo. Canelo also fought Golovkin in 2017.

he fought a guy who is now top 3 p4p in his prime. twice. after the dude waited for him to get old. but ok andre

There was no waiting. Once Canelo hit 160 he took on Gennady immediately, twice, and didn't need a tune-up despite the year long layoff between fights.

TonyGe can't grasp "A" demands. Like when Floyd beat Oscar...Floyd overcome additional hurdles (fight at 154 pounds - Floyd never fought there at the time, Floyd wearing gloves picked by Oscar, using a smaller ring size). Floyd took all of those additional hurdles and won. Guess what? Floyd became the "A" side.

That's how it works, kid

[Real King Kong]

Canelo wasn't waiting for anything, however, you could complain he was flexing his "A" side prowess. Have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with boxing, not Canelo.

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 170 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

The point is:

Catchweights have been used in boxing for a LONG time and the "A" side gets the benefit of the negotiations. Do you need me to explain why Canelo was "A" side? It'll be a short discussion.

These GennadyCUCKS stay ducking and for good reason.

#Ether
#ManDown

I guess ward must have thought he was the a-side with ggg, cuz he wasn't interested in meeting at a cw.

[Snowballer]

Yeah, keep thinking that. He dropped Jacobs and out landed both in all 3 fights! Press row scored all three fights for GGG too!

You're dreaming from a haters point of view and nobody gives a sh@t about your opinion.

Jabs my friend. He outlanded Canelo because of jabs, a good amount which were measuring jabs. GGG got outlanded in power punches, in both fights.

He also lost in the defense department, and after the 2nd fight Canelo showed us who actually controlled the ring. He also won in connect percentage.

But GGG landed more jabs. Lol

Press row? I trust my judgement much more than Ellie Sechback, Doug Fisher, Teddy Atlas and many press guys. Do you mean you always agree with the press' score? Lol

[Bjl12]

I guess ward must have thought he was the a-side with ggg, cuz he wasn't interested in meeting at a cw.

Technically GGG called him out and Ward accepted the offer. Then GGG suggested it would have to take place at 164.

Although I dont like WonderWhiteBreadMan I agree with him on this topic. Gennady did not DUCK Ward, but it was a *miss because he could've fought him and instead passed.

Gennady's career, coincidentally, is full of misses.

He required smaller fighters like Kell Brook, Canelo, and Cotto to move up to 160 and never compromised even 1 pound (making Kell move up 13 pounds instead of 10 pounds).

He also required a CW with SMW Ward at 164, but also offered to fight SMW Froch at 168 and SMW/LHW JCC Jr. as high as 172.

Being hypocritical is a sure fire way to raise some eyebrows...and Gennady didnt help his legacy by avoiding tough fights over weight since literally all of his fights have only ever taken place at 160.

Theres nothing wrong with fighting in one division your whole career, but you cant start labeling guys above and below your division as "ducking" since you're hypocritical about who you would move up/down for

And actions speak louder than words. Gennady moved all opponents to 160 so while he mayve suggested he could be flexible he never was. Always 160 no matter if you're a SMW or WW. Not a good look.

[TonyGe]

Real boxer

You are 100% right. Nobody has to bend to the "A" sides demands, but they can't turn around and whine about being ducked in the same breath.

Gennady was offered fights with Cotto and Canelo, but he refused to bend. Gennady's Loss.

He did later get one of the fights he wanted on his own terms, especially the rematch (55-45 split which was up from the 65-35 originally proposed), but he can't whine that anyone ducked him.

My original post was made at this clown for suggesting Canelo "waited" for Gennady to get "old". No. Canelo didn't fight at 160 until 2017. That fight was against JCC Jr. at a CW of 164 and the CW was for JCC - not Canelo. Canelo also fought Golovkin in 2017.



There was no waiting. Once Canelo hit 160 he took on Gennady immediately, twice, and didn't need a tune-up despite the year long layoff between fights.

TonyGe can't grasp "A" demands. Like when Floyd beat Oscar...Floyd overcome additional hurdles (fight at 154 pounds - Floyd never fought there at the time, Floyd wearing gloves picked by Oscar, using a smaller ring size). Floyd took all of those additional hurdles and won. Guess what? Floyd became the "A" side.

That's how it works, kid

No here's how it works. If the two side come to mutually agreeable terms there is a fight. If they don't then the fight doesn't happen. Golovkin was under no obligation to fight Canelo at all. He obviously got what he wanted eventually and the fight was made. Just because he wants to fight Canelo doesn't mean he has to kiss his ass. He got the terms he wanted and gave in on others. As far as ducking or waiting for Golovkin to get old it's a fact that Canelo gave up his title rather than fight Golovkin. In other words he gave up his belt in order to fight someone as for less money. There was no pressing need for him to do that. You can call it whatever you want but he avoided fighting Golovkin. That is one reason why I'm opposed to catchweight fights for titles. In this case Canelo vacated but in many cases the winner throws the whole division in turmoil while they make up their minds what they are going to do. As far as the Mayweather Oscar fight goes. Mayweather was facing an aging fighter that had two loses in his last four fights and was clearly past his prime. Not the same situation at all.