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  • deliveryman
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    Don't Blame Floyd

    This is a long post – so if you don’t want to read it all, then don’t respond.

    After reading a plethora of thoughtless posts that suggest Mayweather is the one to blame for not fighting an “elite” level fighter in over four years (The last being against Castillo).

    Since then, Floyd has fought: Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah. Which I agree isn’t the strongest list of fighters, but you have to examine the situations and circumstances, which lead to these fights. People just look at the names and just point all the blame on Floyd.

    So let’s examine, shall we?

    After the Castillo fights, Floyd made title defenses against a couple #1 challengers, pretty much cleaning up the Lightweight division, and had his sights set on 140. The only people he didn’t beat were Casamayor and Freitas. Casamayor turned Floyd down and opted to stay at Super Featherweight and fight Diego Corrales, and Arcelino didn’t want to fight Floyd at that time either, and fought Ramirez instead.

    Fast forward to May, 2005. Floyd makes his 140lb debut by fighting a tune-up in Corely, who had just given Judah a very, very tough fight. Floyd also took this fight so he could look good in it, in hopes of setting up a huge PPV fight with Arturo Gatti, which would then set up a fight with Kostya Tszyu. The problem is, Gatti didn’t want to fight Floyd and defend his WBC belt. So Floyd had to do it the hard way, and force Gatti to defend against him, by becoming the #1 challenger (becoming Gatti’s mandatory). In order to do this he has to fight Bruseles in a WBC Title Eliminator fight.

    A month before the Gatti fight, Ricky Hatton bursts onto the global boxing scene with a massive upset over Kostya Tszyu, and now talks were that of a potiental Hatton-Mayweather fight instead of a fight with Kostya. To help build up the fight, Hatton to went the Gatti-Mayweather fight and sat ringside.

    Needless to say we all saw what happened to Gatti, including Hatton. After that fight Ricky or even Cotto, wanted absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather. Hatton started with his “I need tune-ups before facing Mayweather” and fought Maussa instead and Cotto fought Abdulaev.

    Instead of Mayweather staying at 140 and picking his ass, waiting for Hatton to decide when “he’s ready”, he moves up to 147 and schedules to fight UNDISPUTED champ Zab Judah, in what he hopes to be a “mega fight.” Both fighters take a fight to look good in, to help build up the fight. Mayweather chose Sharmba Mitchell (a slick southpaw, like Judah is) and Zab decided to fight his mandatory Baldomir. The problem is JUDAH LOST! That screwed everything up. However, since they were already scheduled to fight, and after some renegotiations they fought anyway.

    Which leaves us to today, and we don’t know who Floyd is fighting next… it could very well be Margarito, we don’t know. Just stop with this “Floyd has ducked people his entire career”, when most of you have no idea what you’re talking about.
    Last edited by deliveryman; 07-01-2006, 08:14 PM.
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    #2
    Oscar by KO

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    • deliveryman
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      #3
      Huh?

      The message you have entered is too short...

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      • Shanus
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        #4
        Originally posted by deliveryman
        This is a long post – so if you don’t want to read it all, then don’t respond.

        After reading a plethora of thoughtless posts that suggest Mayweather is the one to blame for not fighting an “elite” level fighter in over four years (The last being against Castillo).

        Since then, Floyd has fought: Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah. Which I agree isn’t the strongest list of fighters, but you have to examine the situations and circumstances, which lead to these fights. People just look at the names and just point all the blame on Floyd.

        So let’s examine, shall we?

        After the Castillo fights, Floyd made title defenses against a couple #1 challengers, pretty much cleaning up the Lightweight division, and had his sights set on 140. The only people he didn’t beat were Casamayor and Freitas. Casamayor turned Floyd down and opted to stay at Super Featherweight and fight Diego Corrales, and Arcelino didn’t want to fight Floyd at that time either, and fought Ramirez instead.

        Fast forward to May, 2005. Floyd makes his 140lb debut by fighting a tune-up in Corely, who had just given Judah a very, very tough fight. Floyd also took this fight so he could look good in it, in hopes of setting up a huge PPV fight with Arturo Gatti, which would then set up a fight with Kostya Tszyu. The problem is, Gatti didn’t want to fight Floyd and defend his WBC belt. So Floyd had to do it the hard way, and force Gatti to defend against him, by becoming the #1 challenger (becoming Gatti’s mandatory). In order to do this he has to fight Bruseles in a WBC Title Eliminator fight.

        A month before the Gatti fight, Ricky Hatton bursts onto the global boxing scene with a massive upset over Kostya Tszyu, and now talks were that of a potiental Hatton-Mayweather fight instead of a fight with Kostya. To help build up the fight, Hatton to went the Gatti-Mayweather fight and sat ringside.

        Needless to say we all saw what happened to Gatti, including Hatton. After that fight Ricky or even Cotto, wanted absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather. Hatton started with his “I need tune-ups before facing Mayweather” and fought Maussa instead and Cotto fought Abdulaev.

        Instead of Mayweather staying at 140 and picking his ass, waiting for Hatton to decide when “he’s ready”, he moves up to 147 and schedules to fight UNDISPUTED champ Zab Judah, in what he hopes to be a “mega fight.” Both fighters take a fight to look good in, to help build up the fight. Mayweather chose Sharmba Mitchell (a slick southpaw, like Judah is) and Zab decided to fight his mandatory Baldomir. The problem is JUDAH LOST! That screwed everything up. However, since they were already scheduled to fight, and after some renegotiations they fought anyway.

        Which leaves us to today, and we don’t know who Floyd is fighting next… it could very well be Margarito, we don’t know. Just stop with this “Floyd has ducked people his entire career”, when most of you have no idea what you’re talking about.
        This is a very well thought and well placed post.

        I do agree with it, Floyd has encountered trouble along the way, yes.. but just because he hasn't beat a top 10 P4P fighter since Castillo, doesn't mean he hasn't beaten top quality fighters.

        Judah, for example, look how many people thought he was going to win this fight against Floyd, not just the nuthuggers, but the people with common sense.

        Everybody seen what happened in his second fight with Spinks, when he's focused, he's an extremely hard to beat, and SMART fighter.

        Floyd picked this fight, believing in his own ability, trying to prove alot of people wrong, and he did just that.

        Arturo Gatti - you just have to look at the amount of fans he has, and the fights he's been in, to see it's going to take alot to put this guy away.
        Floyd didn't manage to put him away, wisely, his team called it a day, still a remarkable performance by Floyd, against a huge amount of boxing fans, who thought Gatti had what it took to beat him.

        But what for Floyd?
        If he beats Oscar, people will say Oscar was getting old, not in his prime, ill-prepared, or whatever.
        If he beats Hatton.. Hatton already has a huge amount of haters in the US, and he won't get credited with that win either.
        And then there's Margarito, a natural welterweight, 100 punch-a-round fighter, with the frame to fight at light heavy, has a big following, and could cause some problems for Mayweather.
        But will Mayweather get credited with this win? To me, yes, but to others, I think it'll be short lived.
        My point is, Mayweather would have to take on the entire Welterweight division, and Mike Tyson to get any credit, thanks to his #1 P4P status, unbeaten record, and self-built up profile.

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        • Smokin'
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          #5
          Dude, you're talking strictly through a Mayweather standpoint. There's 2 sides to every equation, you know.

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          • Easy-E
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            #6
            Originally posted by Smokin'
            Dude, you're talking strictly through a Mayweather standpoint. There's 2 sides to every equation, you know.
            Yeah but the other side is wrong.

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            • Smokin'
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              . For the record, I'm not a Mayweather fan, but I am a realist. I do admire his skills and I will order his cards because he never stinks out the joint anymore.

              BUT:
              He does not beat Hatton at 140 and
              He does not beat Margarito at 147.

              Thread closed.

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              • Violent Demise
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                #8
                Originally posted by Smokin'
                Dude, you're talking strictly through a Mayweather standpoint. There's 2 sides to every equation, you know.
                The other side is pure nonsense by Floyd's haters and Margarito groupies

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                • KoolWillie
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                  #9
                  Floyd is just waiting he would fight Margarito or De La Hoya in a cage match he's not scared. Where do all you "So called fight fans" get this from Mayweathers undefeated I dont have too say much more DeliveryMans covered most of it.

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                  • psychopath
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                    #10
                    I'm not one of those people who says or believed that Floyd have been ducking opponents but if he doesn't fight Marg at this point I have reason to change my stand on that issue.

                    Blame floyd? I'm not blaming him and nobody will be blaming Floyd. He can just blame himself if he got exposed.

                    No 1 P4P fighter? That's just a big joke.

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