When people say the Charlo's and others should sign with Hearn

[Zn1]

You must be too young to remember Prince Naseem Hamed.

American's will support anyone from anywhere, it all depends on the person. It is harder for a non-American to be popular, but a fan-friendly style and a charismatic personality will win U.S. fans over.

And as for McGregor not being British, that is correct. However, if you think Americans realize that Ireland isn't part of Great Britain, you do not know ***** about Americans. In fact, if you tell us Americans that Ireland isn't part of Great Britain, most will tell you it is, just to piss you off.

I was trying to avoid referencing the smaller guys because the HW division is like no other, but yeah Hamed definitely had an impact over there.

I'm just confused why AJ is expected to crack America when a brash undefeated American heavyweight knockout artist hasn't achieved that in 40 fights which included multiple WBC title defences. I have a feeling that right now becoming a foreign star in America isn't that easy especially with everyone else trying to promote themselves on social media and any other platform they can.

The fact AJ and Hearn have found a way to get him paid regardless further highlights how dead the American HW market is right now. The biggest HW fight of the year isn't shifting tickets and isn't in Las Vegas, HBO just stepped down from boxing only 2 years shy of what would've been their 50th Anniversary, and the 3 biggest combat sport stars still competing right now are NOT American. Could probably extend that to 5 or even 10 and still have no American's in there.

I think that last line is part of WHY US fans are looking elsewhere for stars

[R_Walken]

Daniel jacobs' following and profile hasnt increased ?

Instagram followers at the time of GGG fight - 51k
followers at time of signing with Matchroom - 78 k
current followers on instagram - 126k

Twitter followers have also increased by nearly 70 % since signing with Hearn.

so if his profile hasnt increased, why has it increased on social media?

If his stock was so high after the GGG fight, how come in the 6 months between that fight and him signing with matchroom did his follower count increase by only 27k yet has now increased by nearly 50k since signing with matchroom ?


As for tens of thousand at the barclays? he didnt even fight in front of 10k, the crowd was 8442 against quillin.

The GGG fight drew 19,901.. but none of that was because of GGG right? lol.

Jacobs fight vs Quillin averaged 385k on showtime... his fight against Arias in his first fight under matchroom was watched by 706,000 average on HBO.

The jacobs / sulecki fight averaged 811,000 on HBO.
It did just under 8000 live gate attendance, a week after Broner, charlo and Gervonta were on the card.

Your agenda is clear.

But Hearns done nothing for jacobs' profile.

F.ucking Yammy such a Hearn apologist

I’m sure his bump in Social Media since He went with Hearn is 95% Hearn groupies , so while his profile might have grown a bit in the UK in North America it’s been stagnant among boxing fans and non existent among casuals

Brooklyn is Jacobs hometown and regardless if it was only a week after Broner , Davis , Charlo having 30-40% less people in attendance isnt impressive

Jacobs demolishing Quillen and taking his 0 and giving Golovkin a competitive fight which many felt he won raised his profile among boxing fans more then a boring fight with Arias and decent fight against Sulecki

You can use viewership as your reference but it only tells half the story . HBO subscribers dwarfs Showtime and at the time of the Quillen fight Showtime was posting horrible #s because most of the decent fights associated with PBC were being broadcast on their time buy platforms

Jacobs profile hasn’t increased since he signed with Matchroom,At the time Jacobs was viewed as the 2/4 best MW but Id bet most fans view him now maybe 5/6 with the emergence of Charlo and maybe Andrade

This can all change Saturday if he puts in a dominant performance but right now that’s the way it is

[yammy25]

F.ucking Yammy such a Hearn apologist

I’m sure his bump in Social Media since He went with Hearn is 95% Hearn groupies , so while his profile might have grown a bit in the UK in North America it’s been stagnant among boxing fans and non existent among casuals

So his profiles grown then...but its stagnant.. but its grown. OK thanks

Brooklyn is Jacobs hometown and regardless if it was only a week after Broner , Davis , Charlo having 30-40% less people in attendance isnt impressive

I think by industry standards it is.. one week after significant financial outlay by a large portion of the buying fanbase of the sport in a particular area. People have plans.. lives.. alot wont go to boxing two weeks in a row nor have the money.

Whats the excuse for the 8442 attendance of jacobs quillin ? two brooklyn fighters for a world title.


Jacobs demolishing Quillen and taking his 0 and giving Golovkin a competitive fight which many felt he won raised his profile among boxing fans more then a boring fight with Arias and decent fight against Sulecki

Subjective and baseless. The literal social media stats prove otherwise. Unless youre stating that hardcores dont possess instagram or twitter.

You can use viewership as your reference but it only tells half the story . HBO subscribers dwarfs Showtime and at the time of the Quillen fight Showtime was posting horrible #s because most of the decent fights associated with PBC were being broadcast on their time buy platforms

So taking your fighter and placing him on a larger platform with higher viewing figures only tells half a story on a topic about raising a fighters profile. riiiiight.......
Tell me again what great fights were being put on by PBC late 2015 ?

Jacobs profile hasn’t increased since he signed with Matchroom,At the time Jacobs was viewed as the 2/4 best MW but Id bet most fans view him now maybe 5/6 with the emergence of Charlo and maybe Andrade

Do they?
Ring rates him 2 - after golovkin and champion canelo.
ESPN rates him 3 after golovkin and canelo
BOXREC rates him 3 after golovkin and canelo

Those fans must be ****ing idiots then.


This can all change Saturday if he puts in a dominant performance but right now that’s the way it is

Anything else you want to argue about?

[R_Walken]

Anything else you want to argue about?

Not really a argument just giving my opinion , it’s clear you’re the smartest guy in the room and your opinion should be considered as gospel but Inthink you’re wrong if you think Jacobs profile has increased under Matchroom

Sure Getting a increase in Social media across the pond probably due to who promotes him is a increase in profile but it hasn’t increased in North America his home base it’s been stagnant and in my opinion the wave he rode after demolishing Quillen and giving Gennady a tough fight which many think he won has been idle or decreased after fighting Arias in a snooze fest and Sulecki a unknown fighter .

Yeah HBO was the larger platform and it made sense for him to go there since HBO has MW on lock but around the time Jacobs /Quillen fought EsPn, NBC , Fox we’re getting most of the notable PBC names and fights ( LSC /Mares , Broner /Porter just to name a few ) Showtime was getting scraps and their ratings
Showed

Quillen /Jacobs was basically Jacobs first big fight it’s been 3 years and a couple big fights and he’s still pulling in the same attendance should tell you something about his profile growth . You can blame it on people not wanting to go out 2 Weeks in a row or whatever but it’s a excuse and New York is a World City there should be more then enough people to increase attendance in his hometown 2 years after the Quillen fight . Or maybe it was a error on Hearns part to stage a fight a week after?

Sure he’s ranked roughly the same and mostly because of what he did before he signed with Matchroom l. I bet after the Golovkin fight most fans had Jacobs 2-4 at MW and I bet Charlos leapfrogged him in most people’s opinion and Andrade is probably at the same level as far as best MWs

Again this can all change after Saturday with a great performance and who he fights in the future but right now Jacobs has been spinning his wheels the last year or so.

[Larry the boss]

I love that pic. Beautiful family

thank you..

[KTFOKING]

Jacobs US profile hasn't grown at all since he signed with Hearn/HBO but he made the move to be in the hunt for the GGG rematch and the Canelo fight. Also became a bit more active which is good, and if he wins today, he will be one of the front runners for Canelo in May. So if that happens, I doubt he will be complaining much.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

I don't know the relevance of this ****** Jacobs is also with Haymon crap.
As if fights that involve Haymon fighters easily get made.





So you made my point.
Jacobs was with Showtime before he went to HBO.
Did the Charlo vs Jacobs negotiation even made it to first base?
Exactly.
Just admit Haymon is a cancer in this sport.
I don't think he's even a fan.
This sport is better off without him.

I just said they were, can you read? You just won’t admit the Jacobs and Andrade are scared. Who turns down 500k? Haymon has done more for the sport than any other promoter especially Oscar and Arum. The real cancer is the promoter who was raided by the FBI and fined for scale tampering, fight fixing and bribery smh. He should have been banned. He’s so much of a cancer even the nice humble gracious Pacquiao wants nothing to do with him. Line up all the fights over the 2yrs PBC and Showtime kills them all.

[rickJen]

I just said they were, can you read? You just won’t admit the Jacobs and Andrade are scared. Who turns down 500k?

Who turns down $500K? Are you talking about Andrade?
Where is that figure coming from? Out of your ass?
Even today these Charlos are still $300-500K fighters.
And you're telling me Andrade was offered $500K 3 years ago
against these Charlos who were complete nobodies at that time?
More like Andrade was offered $90K. It almost seemed like Haymon didn't really want the fight.
Yeah it's convenient to blame Jacobs and Andrade when you see it fits,
because "they're scared" doe.
Scared of an undercard cab driver killer?
Come on man.
Arum and Haymon are both cancers, I'll give you that.
But Haymon ignoring Arum reaching out to make the Crawford/Spence fight is like spreading the disease further.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Who turns down $500K? Are you talking about Andrade?
Where is that figure coming from? Out of your ass?
Even today these Charlos are still $300-500K fighters.
And you're telling me Andrade was offered $500K 3 years ago
against these Charlos who were complete nobodies at that time?
More like Andrade was offered $90K. It almost seemed like Haymon didn't really want the fight.
Yeah it's convenient to blame Jacobs and Andrade when you see it fits,
because "they're scared" doe.
Scared of an undercard cab driver killer?
Come on man.
Arum and Haymon are both cancers, I'll give you that.
But Haymon ignoring Arum reaching out to make the Crawford/Spence fight is like spreading the disease further.

From his own promoter he even called him out for turning down 500k






Its so funny how you fans have short term memories when it comes to certain fighters. Crawford just had his second fight at welterweight no big fight gets made that fast. Spence will fight PBC welterweights before he fights Crawford I don’t see a problem with that.



Arum is a liar he’s did a whole 360 on the fight because Haymon stole Pacquiao.


“More like he was offered 90k”
It’s so sad that some of you will flat out tell a lie knowing it’s not the truth just because you hate a certain fighter. You’re so biased smh

[rickJen]

From his own promoter he even called him out for turning down 500k

Its so funny how you fans have short term memories when it comes to certain fighters. Crawford just had his second fight at welterweight no big fight gets made that fast. Spence will fight PBC welterweights before he fights Crawford I don’t see a problem with that.

Arum is a liar he’s did a whole 360 on the fight because Haymon stole Pacquiao.

Andrade's own father was actually the one who influenced the rejection of the fight because according to him they were offered about $90-100K.
Man, you don't have to dispute this.
Does it make sense to you that the Charlos are still making $300-500K even to this day,
and a non-PBC fighter like Andrade gets to be offered $500K three years ago?
And you say Andrade is scared just because he didn't accept a lowball offer?
You might as well say that to Wilder and many others.