Whyte ducking Ortiz so Joshua can duck Wilder

[Prince Madison]

Whyte fought a journeyman ranked in the hundreds of the division, of course nobody cared. Defeating a fighter like Ortiz would explode Whyte's stock especially in the U.S.

I doubt Whyte even goes back for Wilder, he's about to duck Ortiz, he's all talk.

when are u going to realise noone cares, rates or gives a **** about ortiz in the real world. chisora fight earns him more money and theres more interest so thats why its happening.

[Cutthroat]

You are unbelievable since when has Spzilka been a good name and Povetkin knocked Perez out in the first round, Perez took Jennings to a split decision so that's not a good win to brag about. Chisora and Whyte have better wins than Ortiz and Chisora is nearly five years younger so why is Ortiz so behind on fighting decent people?


Arreolla is a bum no good wins and a loss to Adamek. Stiverne got tko'd by Demetrice King 5'11, 15 wins and 20 losses. That wouldn't happen if you wasn't a bum.


Also if Ortiz is so much better how comes he couldn't knock Malik Scott out and Chisora could? You just said Ortiz performed better with similar oponents but Chisora dealt the SAME opponent in six rounds and Dave Allen was a sh*i*t show for Ortiz swinging and missing and even getting rocked so it was far from the performance of an elite killer.

Also look at the amateurs the guy wasn't even the best at Cuban level I think he only got a gold in 1/5 Cuban national level comps. No Olympic medals either.

Ortiz is at best unproven and not warranting any of this hype.

Szpilka was undefeated and was still capable of defeating Adamek who was the #1 guy at cruiser. Prime Adamek was as good as any cruiser today.

Perez didn't train and admitted he was drunk for the Pedvetkin fight, he said when he got dropped he didn't even care. This fight throws everybody's ratings off and it should not count.
Pedvetkin could not even KO Chambers, Chagaev, Huck, Hammer, Rudenko etc.


Chisora's best win is over Takam, he was LOSING to Scott on all the cards prior to a premature 6th round stoppage.

Scott took no chances against Ortiz, never winning a single round, throwing just 13 punches per round. Got dropped 5x.

Allen-Ortiz was a shut out, he was never "rocked" lol. There is a clear gap in skill here between what Ortiz did to Allen and what Whyte did.

Chisora's best win is over a 40th ranked Takam, he's lost at the top level 99% of the time including to Kabayel.

Whyte's best win is against Parker who should be ranked 18th in the division. All Whyte has done is cherry pick opponents.

Arreola would've beaten Adamek had it not been for an injury. The only men both guys legitimately lost to was Vitali who also kicked Chisora's ass.

And Stiverne-King was not a legitimate stoppage, if you actually watched the fight you'd have seen the ref stopped it way too early.

Ortiz was a 200lb amateur, he peaked in the pros when he was 230, completely different type of fighter just like Wilder.

[Tyistall]

Szpilka was undefeated and was still capable of defeating Adamek who was the #1 guy at cruiser. Prime Adamek was as good as any cruiser today.

Perez didn't train and admitted he was drunk for the Pedvetkin fight, he said when he got dropped he didn't even care. This fight throws everybody's ratings off and it should not count.
Pedvetkin could not even KO Chambers, Chagaev, Huck, Hammer, Rudenko etc.


Chisora's best win is over Takam, he was LOSING to Scott on all the cards prior to a premature 6th round stoppage.

Scott took no chances against Ortiz, never winning a single round, throwing just 13 punches per round. Got dropped 5x.

Allen-Ortiz was a shut out, he was never "rocked" lol. There is a clear gap in skill here between what Ortiz did to Allen and what Whyte did.

Chisora's best win is over a 40th ranked Takam, he's lost at the top level 99% of the time including to Kabayel.

Whyte's best win is against Parker who should be ranked 18th in the division. All Whyte has done is cherry pick opponents.

Arreola would've beaten Adamek had it not been for an injury. The only men both guys legitimately lost to was Vitali who also kicked Chisora's ass.

And Stiverne-King was not a legitimate stoppage, if you actually watched the fight you'd have seen the ref stopped it way too early.

Ortiz was a 200lb amateur, he peaked in the pros when he was 230, completely different type of fighter just like Wilder.

Wow... it's amazing to actually read a Wilder fan, turn every single thing around to fit his agenda. It's almost impressive, like magic or something. But it's still nonsense though.

[Jax teller]

Szpilka was undefeated and was still capable of defeating Adamek who was the #1 guy at cruiser. Prime Adamek was as good as any cruiser today.

Perez didn't train and admitted he was drunk for the Pedvetkin fight, he said when he got dropped he didn't even care. This fight throws everybody's ratings off and it should not count.
Pedvetkin could not even KO Chambers, Chagaev, Huck, Hammer, Rudenko etc.

Chisora's best win is over Takam, he was LOSING to Scott on all the cards prior to a premature 6th round stoppage.

Scott took no chances against Ortiz, never winning a single round, throwing just 13 punches per round. Got dropped 5x.

Allen-Ortiz was a shut out, he was never "rocked" lol. There is a clear gap in skill here between what Ortiz did to Allen and what Whyte did.

Chisora's best win is over a 40th ranked Takam, he's lost at the top level 99% of the time including to Kabayel.

Whyte's best win is against Parker who should be ranked 18th in the division. All Whyte has done is cherry pick opponents.

Arreola would've beaten Adamek had it not been for an injury. The only men both guys legitimately lost to was Vitali who also kicked Chisora's ass.

And Stiverne-King was not a legitimate stoppage, if you actually watched the fight you'd have seen the ref stopped it way too early.

Ortiz was a 200lb amateur, he peaked in the pros when he was 230, completely different type of fighter just like Wilder.

That's a hell of a lot of excuses, would'ves, could'ves and should'ves.

Spzilka could've, maybe, possibly one his day at the in the right temperature beat a cruiserweight....
Since when does that make you a top guy to beat.

Chisora got recognized for and praised greatly for the Klitschko fight. Proved thahe could hang with the around best even if he can't beat them (probably best gatekeeper not a journeyman). Also it's a bit rich bringing up him being outpointed and making the knockout when you praise Wilder for being out boxed and pulling off a one hitter quitter when it counts.

Dave Allen did rock Ortiz go watch and he wasn't showing any clear skill that night.

Stirverne was taking a beating from a bum when the early stoppage was called. Plus he has a draw with another bum. Couldn't outbox Wilder, probably the guy with the worst fundamentals in the top 20 definitely worst in top 10.

Takam has only reasantly dropped rankings due to losses against the top guys. Same with Parker.

The only guy Ortiz has beat is Jennings and fought no one else, cherry picking. Ortiz wouldn't even step into the ring with the same guys as Povetkin.

I don't know where you read Perez said he was drunk but that sounds made up to save face, who would drink with WBC mandatory at stake? Just making excuses. Also Takam has a draw with the guy who most said should have been a win who Povetkin ko when Perez couldn't event beat him.
Povetkin also KO'd Duhupaus in 6. Wilder only managed a tko in eleven.

Many people fought Chisora beat Whyte in the first fight and that Parker would school him he also fought AJ, how are any of these cherry picks? (Even a rematch with Chisora isn't a cherry pick if he already lost)

Parker is a former World Champ with better names on his resume than Ortiz and Jennings.

How on Earth do you know Arreola would've beaten Adamek who as you said yoursepf is a cruiser and not a natural HW. When he has had any step ups he has lost. Plus Adamek is probably not as good as Usyk who had unified the current cruiser weight division if you forgot.

Any boxer who is anything has been good going through the weight classes. Why is Ortiz an exception considering his foot work actually got worse and just turned into a plodder? When was his prime because he's a few years past it a 39 and he did nothing with it other than get popped for peds on multiple occasions possibly the only reason he ever looked good just like Povetkin but Ortiz beat nobodies.

Ortiz's only fights worth mentioning is against Jennings and failing to knock Wilder out when he had him out on his feet, only to get knocked out himself. Where as the other guys have more wins or at least competive fights against more named guys. In summary that's why you're arguments is so weak as it's a bunch of if's and excuses.

[Watcherw1]

how did wilder duck? please explain

[Watcherw1]

parker was number 6 in the wbc, chisora was number 7, rivas was number 10 (which is his best win) wach unranked, tann unranked, browne number 13, first chisora fight number 14, helenius number 23 oh my get a grip. he had 8 fights to get his 'number 1 position and only fought 2 ranked guys to get to that, those being helenius and chisora (2016 and 2017) even dominic breazeale had 8 fights to get to wilder fighting number 12 in molina, number 34 in ugonoh and number 19 in mansour, friken dominic breazeale had more ranked fights than whyte. and unlike whyte, breazeale lost to a world champion in joshua beforehand, while whyte lost at domestic level even before joshua was the british champion. you see you guys cry about whyte but he's turned down the eliminatrs from 2 sanctioning bodies and even turned down the joshua fight, failing to renegotiate and instead head off to america to...well...shop around...see what someone has to offer

[Richard]

Joshua-Whyte 2 coming up, bros.....

Not overly interested in a rematch soon.Would rather Joshua fight the winner of Fury/Wilder .

[Chinned]

Whyte vs AJ is a really good fight to watch down the road, but not now. Not sure about all this Ortiz hype though tbh. Wilder fights aside, he's been god awful in every fight I've seen. It does seem like he got overhyped by fans of Wilder.The fact that him and his team were flat out caught lying when Hearn shown proof of a great offer on ThaBoxingVoice means I don't trust him at all when he accuses anyone of ducking.

[nubianpiye]

I hope he fights Ortiz I'm so tired of American hyping this guy off one win over Bryant Jennings. Povetkin, Parker and Chisora have better resumes than Ortiz.

[Marchegiano]

Whyte deserves a shot at a title more than anyone tbh. Should have been Wilder-Whyte but Wilder ducked.

Then why didn't he take the fight against Joshua?

Whyte went from crying about Wilder to refusing to answer the phone for Joshua. Only reason Ruiz fought Joshua is because Whyte didn't make it through negotiations and Miller got popped.

Josh ducked too? Everyone's scared of Whyte are they?