Rank the "FOUR KINGS".

[Combat Talk Radio]

leonard, hearns, hagler, duran for me.

To be honest I kind of feel like Hagler and Duran are overrated these days while Leonard and Hearns are minimized. I guess it's a sort of backlash because for years I would have said Leonard and Hearns are overrated and Hagler and Duran are minimalized.


Odd question, but this got me to thinking, all four of these guys are from the New World, the Americas. Who do y'all reckon are the best from the Old World in that era/area of weight divisions?

If by "Old World" you simply mean not American-born, that's a hard call. Welterweight was dominated by those four. Ike Quartey is the main one that comes to mind. Others I'd have to put thought into. Benitez was quality but I wouldn't put him on the same level as the other four, same as Cuevas.

[Marchegiano]

If by "Old World" you simply mean not American-born, that's a hard call. Welterweight was dominated by those four. Ike Quartey is the main one that comes to mind. Others I'd have to put thought into. Benitez was quality but I wouldn't put him on the same level as the other four, same as Cuevas.

Is that not a term y'all use?



I'll look into Ike, thanks bud.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Leonard
Hagler
Hearns
Duran


Duran is definitely last because he went 1-4 against the other 3. And according to boxingscene definition of prime SRL wasn’t in his prime when Duran beat him.

There’s no way you can put him ahead of any of them anyway. He’s greatly over rated in my opinion. Don’t forget that same Macho beat Duran too when Hector was close to 40 and Duran had already lost to two c level fighters Robbie Sims and Kirkland Laing way before he lost to Vinny. Also if we’re counting Macho win over Ray Leonard then we’d have to take into consideration Pat Lawlor ko win over Duran. It’s just no way you can rank him ahead of any of the 3. Great fighter a bit over rated if you ask me.

Since you think Baldomir, Cintron and Trout should be in the Hall of Fame, I'm guessing your opinion here doesn't exactly inspire great expectations.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Also, Duran boxed for five decades, and went from Bantamweight to Light Heavyweight. Christ, just saying that out loud is insane

Yeah. Hearns and Leonard turned pro at 147. Hagler at 160. Duran at 118. It's startling he could even compete with them at all, much less beat Leonard and arguably beat Hagler. Duran's skill level, especially when it came to inside fighting, is of the highest order.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Is that not a term y'all use?



I'll look into Ike, thanks bud.

Not commonly, no. But New World isn't commonly used either. It's usually "American" or "Domestic" vs "International" or "World" - which then covers guys like Clottey, N'Dou, Klitscho brothers, Lewis, etc.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Since you think Baldomir, Cintron and Trout should be in the Hall of Fame, I'm guessing your opinion here doesn't exactly inspire great expectations.

No but it’s hillarious you leave Mosley off that list but that’s what weirdo trolls do.

I said Canelo beat a few HOFers and world champions Which was Mosley. You took out Mosley name and mentioned the other 3. When people do that type of corny stuff it lets me know how strong my argument was.
So I’m not about to go back and forth with no illiterate clown who can barely understand reading comprehension. You have your opinion I have mine. Duran was over rated. Peace

[Tony Trick-Pony]

No but it’s hillarious you leave Mosley off that list but that’s what weirdo trolls do.

I said Canelo beat a few HOFers and world champions Which was Mosley. You took out Mosley name and mentioned the other 3. When people do that type of corny stuff it lets me know how strong my argument was.
So I’m not about to go back and forth with no illiterate clown who can barely understand reading comprehension. You have your opinion I have mine. Duran was over rated. Peace

You said, "FYI Canelo has already beat multiple hall of famers and former champions before he fought Floyd. Trout, Mosley, Cintron, Baldimor."

So Canelo has beaten multiple hall of famers and former champions before he fought Floyd. And who would the multiple hall of famers be? Mosley is one Hall of famer. Who are the others? Even one?

This is a pretty clever game you play though. You state a lie hidden among other truths and then pass me off as a troll for pointing this out.

You lied or you believe they will get in. It's that simple, man. I could let you off the hook but you came at me with plenty of laughing and mocking my opinion to start with. So no peace, bruh. No peace.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

leonard, hearns, hagler, duran for me.

To be honest I kind of feel like Hagler and Duran are overrated these days while Leonard and Hearns are minimized. I guess it's a sort of backlash because for years I would have said Leonard and Hearns are overrated and Hagler and Duran are minimalized.


Odd question, but this got me to thinking, all four of these guys are from the New World, the Americas. Who do y'all reckon are the best from the Old World in that era/area of weight divisions?

Great post bro. I feel the exact same way. If Duran didn’t get that one win over a young SRL I don’t think we’d even be having this conversation

[GhostofDempsey]

Duran
Leonard
Hagler
Hearns

[The plunger man]

Again, it's fine to look at losses, but you need to analyze them.

Leonard arguably lost the rematch against Hearns. Because as I acknowledged, Hearns had flaws when he faced those guys the first time but improved his game significantly every time he rematched.

See I'm looking at the total package - are you getting better or are you regressing? I saw Leonard regressing even before the Norris fight and then he retired before we got a chance to see if he would get any better. Hagler was too bitter about the Leonard decision and we never got the chance to see if he'd get any better.

But Duran and Hearns both upped their game constantly and evolved as fighters. The Duran I saw in later years was a skillful tactician, far cry from the buzzsaw he used to be, but was giving all sorts of problems to guys. Hearns was slow and methodical, but still only needed one punch to change the fight around and was sparking dudes.

Hearns was koed by barkley and he also went life and death with juan roldan and was seriously hurt by james kitchen so how did he improve lol
Look i admire all the four kings but the bottom line is when you had hearns as unbeanten welterweight who was knocking everyboy out leonard best him.
Yiu cannot change the facts.
Leonard suffered a bad injury and oost most of his prime and when he wwas retired he then became sddicted to drugs and drink.
In there prime leonard wss just abetter fighter and thats why he is ranked higher than hesrns by everybody except revelated
Thats the facts right there.