My unbiased opinion on Terence Crawford

[Sheldon312]

If you don't know whether he's top 5 P4P, then you are either biased or lacking knowledge of the science. Sorry, but I just gotta be honest there. I'm not saying you have to like the guy, but if you don't understand him in the top 5, something is wrong...

I say that as someone who has Loma as #1.

From a skill standpoint I agree. But, when you include skill + resume, he is not better than Spence, Canelo, Thurman, GGG, Loma, Usyk, and Joshua. At the 147 division when you compare him to Spence and Thurman, and take your bias out of it, you will see that there really isn't that much of a "skill" disparity between the three. Thurman has more power, better defense, and speed. Spence is stronger, more powerful, applies constant pressure, and is a body snatcher. I also think that Crawford vs Porter is 50/50. Danny vs Crawford would be a tough match up even though I favor Crawford.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't see why he wouldn't beat Porter. Porter is too one dimensional if you ask me. I think Bud for sure beats him. And I think even if he were to lose, which I don't think is a given, he's gonna give Thurman & Spence a competitive fight.

Personally I lean towards Spence being the uncrowned king of the division & I think he'll beat all 3. I think Thurman is up in the air with all his time out of the ring so I'mma need to see him fight again before I can say he'll beat the other 2 or the other 2 might beat him. And Bud will for sure beat Porter.

[joesaiditstrue]

Crawford didnt look great tonight besides the stoppage. His punches in exchanges were wide and sloppy and it seems his reflexes are slowing down a bit

With that said, I'm not going to downgrade him for one decent performance (he stopped the guy, after all)

Let's not have revisionist history when it comes to guys like Thurman (Remember the Diego Chavez and Luis Collazo fights, he had some sketchy moments against two below average fighters)

I still rank Bud above Thurman and Spence.

I wanna see Bud vs Porter next, have Danny fight Jesse Vargas or maybe Broner. If Keith doesnt defend his title soon, the dude needs to be stripped

[Roadblock]

I agree I honestly think pac knocks him out

Manny wont fight him and if was to happen Manny would get beat up and probably stopped late. way too much placed on his last win against a shot 140 pounder who was scared to death.

TC would light Manny up at this point in Mannys career.

[Sheldon312]

Bud is like FM and Manny he came from much lower weight, he doesnt have full WW power and is not a full WW but has the skills to out box anybody, he wont get into big exchanges with the like of Spence he will box with speed and movement.

If Spence could break down a bigger, stronger Brook, I can only imagine what he would do to Crawford who is much smaller.

[joesaiditstrue]

Ward had a 10-8 round for Crawford tonight lol

the 12th? what rd?

[joesaiditstrue]

Crawford just gets hit too much. If Thurman and Spence would've landed those same amount of shots as Jose did, Crawford would've been in trouble. Not to be too skeptical but I think Speedy Ellis vs Crawford would be 50/50

I dont think Crawford respected Benavidez, which would explain his lazy effort in spots

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Ocampo was ranked slightly above Benavidez and had more points in boxrec.

Ocampo lasted one round
Took Crawford 12 rounds against a one-legged opponent

Spence smokes Crawford

[Redd Foxx]

From a skill standpoint I agree. But, when you include skill + resume, he is not better than Spence, Canelo, Thurman, GGG, Loma, Usyk, and Joshua. At the 147 division when you compare him to Spence and Thurman, and take your bias out of it, you will see that there really isn't that much of a "skill" disparity between the three. Thurman has more power, better defense, and speed. Spence is stronger, more powerful, applies constant pressure, and is a body snatcher. I also think that Crawford vs Porter is 50/50. Danny vs Crawford would be a tough match up even though I favor Crawford.

P4P is a snapshot of where everyone currently stands, not their historic standing.
You're making the mistake of including long-term resume in a P4P argument. In that case, Loma gets bumped down because he lost to Salido. But, we really don't count that anymore. It's a "what have you done for me lately" kind of thing.

The fact that you have Thurman, who hasn't don't shyt for a while now, above Bud tells me that you aren't quite getting what others are looking at in terms of P4P, which is why it might not make sense to you.

The Porter thing just kinda blows my mind.... I'll save that argument for another day though.

[Roadblock]

Crawford didnt look great tonight besides the stoppage. His punches in exchanges were wide and sloppy and it seems his reflexes are slowing down a bit

With that said, I'm not going to downgrade him for one decent performance (he stopped the guy, after all)

Let's not have revisionist history when it comes to guys like Thurman (Remember the Diego Chavez and Luis Collazo fights, he had some sketchy moments against two below average fighters)

I still rank Bud above Thurman and Spence.

I wanna see Bud vs Porter next, have Danny fight Jesse Vargas or maybe Broner. If Keith doesnt defend his title soon, the dude needs to be stripped

Benevides was very sharp and awkward and also rangy he is not an easy fighter too beat I can see why he was unbeaten and why the good wraps on him .