Comments Thread For: Arum: If They Don't Want To Discuss Crawford-Spence - Just F*** Off

[The Akbar One]

Haymon had no issue with Russell Jr. fighting Lomachenko. Why would he have an issue with Spence fighting Crawford? Arum is just being crabby, and Crawford isn't very smart, re-signing with the guy that clearly favors Lomachenko over him. Crawford gets stuck on some app, while Loma gets put on primetime ESPN. Crawford knew that Arum had no stable at welterweight. That's on him. Arum talking **** about Haymon won't help the fight happen, and Arum need not act like he hasn't frozen other promoters out before.

[thack]

Lol ...old Bob sounds like he's been on the blow again but he is right that is the big fight in the welterweight division.....the one we all want.

[Boxing Logic]

"Al doesn't like to take fights where the other guy has a chance. So I'm willing and Terence is willing to do that fight next."

Exactly. Finally the truth is spoken. Al uses a formula which is basically to only make fights where even if the worst case scenario happens, the fighter he wants to win still wins. For example Wilder-Ortiz, Ortiz at 200 years old fought basically the perfect fight, the best he could fight at that point at least until he gassed so badly that he made some mistakes, but at 200 years old that is inevitable. And yet it still wasn't enough. So even worse case scenario, Al's preferred fighter would still win. And that was the best opponent of Wilder's career! So if the best opponent of Wilder's career fights the perfect fight, but still can't win, what does that tell you about how much of a chance the rest of Wilder's opponents had?

And it's the same with almost all of Haymon's matchmaking. The only time I ever saw Al make a major mistake in his formula was when Salido gave Loma problems (even though I think Loma won), so Al must have thought, "GRJ is twice as fast as Salido, he hits just as hard or harder (because it appeared that way at the time when GRJ was knocking out cans. Now we know Salido hits harder), Loma only has 3 fights and he didn't throw punches vs Salido suggesting he lacks stamina to go 12 rounds," so Al put GRJ in with Loma and Loma schooled him. But I think that was just Al being newer to boxing back then and not fully understanding the impact fight night weight has, because I'm not sure networks even kept track of that as much back then which is the first step to revealing its impact. Also Loma turned out to have pretty good stamina in the end, but once again the weight advantage of Salido which allowed him to walk through all of Loma's best shots until late in the fight and keep constant pressure on Loma no matter what he hit Loma with and counter even Loma's best LANDED shots with body shots of his own is what created the illusion that Loma had bad stamina.

Now that Al has smartened up about these things, he refuses to put any of his fighters in with Loma (LSC at 126 or Tank and Mikey at 130 and 135, for some examples), or any fighter who has a chance of beating his star fighters. Dmitry Bivol vs Badou Jack was supposed to happen this fall but look what happened, Al's side wasn't interested even though Bivol is dying to get name opponents in the ring with him. This is the second time now Jack has chosen not to fight Bivol, or should I say Haymon. So if Haymon isn't even willing to put his fighters with lots of losses on their record in with opponents like Bivol who aren't even big for their weight class or big KO punchers at the top level of the sport, then you can just imagine Al's reaction when the idea of making GGG vs Quillin in GGG's prime came up, or Kovalev-Stevenson in Kovalev's prime, or anything like that.

And it truly is killing the sport. We have so many weight divisions, yet only one undisputed champ in the entire sport, and that was only made possible because cruiserweight was the one division where Al Haymon didn't have any involvement with any of the top cruiserweights to get in the way of the tournament. I have zero doubt that if Murat Gassiev was an American boxer advised by Al Haymon instead of a Russian boxer not managed by Haymon, Gassiev would have never entered the WBSS or been willing to fight Usyk at all, and the tournament would have lost all the luster it built off of having the #1 and #2 (and 3 etc) both in the tournament, and two top talents, the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Gassiev is only 24 years old, while Usyk is already 31, so Haymon would have done what he always does, and what GBP learned from him. He would have waited 4 to 7 years until Gassiev was at his absolute peak, age 28 or 29, and Usyk was near his absolute lowest point, physically, not counting how he would be once he would have retired only shortly after that. He'd wait until Usyk was 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, or 38, however long it took to start seeing slippage (it varies fighter to fighter), and only then would Al make the fight, using the excuse that it would have generated more money 5 years from now than it did last year, leaving out, of course, the fact that it also would have set back Usyk and even Gassiev's career, in terms of achievement and fan visibility in Usyk's case, and in terms of bravery, sportsmanship, true champion spirit, and fan visibility in Gassiev's case, 5 years as well, and stunted their money-generating ability for years as well. I mean, Usyk-Bellew is going to be a huge fight in the UK, and if Usyk can pull through, possibly Joshua-Usyk a couple fights later. Neither would be the case if Usyk-Gassiev had not happened.

Likewise, GBP will try to justify ducking GGG until he started to slip by saying that Canelo-GGG would not have sold 1 mil PPVs if they had made it 4 years ago. First of all, yeah it would have. Secondly, those fights took both Canelo and GGG to an new level of star power, but since they waited for GGG to get old first, he now has say only 20% of the opportunity to cash in on that star power as he would have if Canelo-GGG had been made 4 or 5 years ago. And, the part people don't realize, Canelo has also lost the same number of years of opportunity! His other PPVs like Canelo-Angulo and Canelo-Smith only sold 200k or 300k PPVs if I recall. Had Canelo-GGG been made 4 years ago before those PPVs, and had Canelo then fought them afterwards, those PPVs would have done let's say 50% more sales.

So, every time a promoter tries to use "it's a bigger fight now than it would have been a few years ago" as a way to justify ducking a dangerous opponent until he started to slip, remember that A. that's an unproveable statement that is usually not true, just look at Floyd-Mcgregor and even Khabib-Mcgregor which is much more comparable to Canelo-GGG and how they broke records with only a year or two max of marinating and only a couple months of promoting), and B. even if that's true about the fight in question, they are leaving out how they've made every other fight in both their and their opponent's career much SMALLER fights as a result of their ducking. So what GBP really did is yes, they might have added a couple hundred thousand extra PPV sales on GGG-Canelo, but they stalled GGG's career completely and basically ruined it, and they capped Canelo's revenue generation 50% to 100% lower than it could have been for years costing him and everyone involved tens of millions, and they screwed the fans and turned the history and integrity of the sport into a mockery.

Not to mention, if the idea that marinating a matchup longer increases the PPV sales is true, then why did the Canelo-GGG PPV sell less PPVs than the first one when the second one had another whole year of marination before it happened, and increased the fighters fan recognition with casuals a huge amount thanks to Canelo's positive drug test and all the news articles about their camps going back and forth. And supposedly the first fight was a really good fight so the rematch also had positive word of mouth going for it about the quality of the first fight. So what happened? It's a lie used to justify ducking is what happened. And Al Haymon fighters use this lie more than anyone.

[Bud Crawford#1]

Al Haymon should test out Bob's "trade theory" by offering to make a fight between Crawford vs. Danny Garcia on ESPN in exchange for Benavidez vs. Zurdo Ramirez on SHO or FOX! Haymon did let Felix Diaz and John Molina Jr. face Crawford on HBO already! I've seen Regis Prograis on ESPN too! I haven't seen any reciprocity yet!

Why would Bud want to waste his time fighting garbage like Danny Garcia, Shaun Porter etc? If only to make E.Z money which that would be

[gbonafide]

Man I love me some Errol Spence but it’s clear that Bud is in his crawl space. If he wanted to fight he would tell Al to make it instead of talking about sides of the street. He’d rather fight a 135 pounder moving up 2 weight classes. SMH

[McNulty]

C'mon old man....we ALL know you don't want that fight. Chill out, windbag.

Shut the fùck up you hater. Why do you have to be a troll and rain on everybody's parade?

[SAINTSTEVE]

Any time Crawford and Spence appear together in a headline is a good thing. Let us all hope this leads to a twitter war which can only be resolved one way - in the ring.

[MisanthropicNY]

Crawford is more protected than our great President Trump.

[j.razor]

"If They Don't Want To Discuss Crawford-Spence - Just F*** Off"

Well said!
Nuff said!

You all can continue with your tired, pathetic and baseless speculations , rumors, Bob this. Bob that etc etc etc.

And you can go on "believing" bob after ALL the times he has lied to YOU....LMMFAO!



Nuff said!

[Bud Crawford#1]

C'mon old man....we ALL know you don't want that fight. Chill out, windbag.

Why wouldn't Arum want that fight? He has the best fighter in the world not just welterweight in the world.
You notice Crawford's name has never come out of Spence's mouth. He would much rather fight huggy bear pillow hands Porter.