HBO, America and Boxing

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Anthony Joshua in 21 fights has almost cleared out the heavyweight division

The most dangerous fighters for AJ to face would be Wilder, King Kong, Tyson Fury and Jarrell Miller, all fighters he's been steered away from.

AJ has accomplished a great deal, and is deserving of a #1 ranking at heavyweight, but cleared out the division? He hasn't fought any of the most dangerous fighters in the division.

[Eff Pandas]

Boxing hit its highest level of popularity in the 60s and 70s, riding on the coat tails of Ali and co. It also happened to be an era where the mob had control, not sure how much more than the 40s and 50s but plenty. We all know Ali's stories about the mob approaching him before fights in the 60s.

I'm not talking about the mob running boxing. I'm talking about the IBC lawsuit which prevented boxing from having a monopoly. You know like every other sport can have. Thats the giant structural problem in boxing. Everything else is small potatoes compared to that problem. Boxing is like a thousand lil mom and pop businesse cuz of that.

I'm sure it caused problems, plenty of them but tv networks, ppv fatigue and poor match making are a far bigger problem.

Thats silly. If the foundation of your house is crooked, lopsided & damaged what does a problem with the guest bedroom really matter in the scheme of things? I say not much.

If elite level boxing was all under the same banner like all elite level football is under the NFL banner the problems with boxing instantly gets reduced by a factor of 10 probably. You aren't going far enough back in where the problem is and why the problems are.

how can a fighter like Spence be wasted fighting in the big leagues when his own promoter owns all the a league fighters??? Why is Deontay Wilder, a US heavyweight completely unknown? He has less world calibre opponents than his own number one ranked contender. I'm not sure if Showtime, PBC and all that other rubbish will last any longer, not at this level.

Oh so this is just a PBC hater thread?

Cmon man be logical. We see all these mfers in America playing the same game, but a bunch of PBC fanboys act like its just Arum & a bunch of Arum fanboys act like its just PBC and same with all the other dynamics of the powerful en****** in boxing. All mfers like that are looking too hard at the surface (and usually just one region of it hence their unreasonable bias) instead of problems under thesurface.es

[Real King Kong]

American interest in boxing definitely took a hit when the average combat sports fan came to terms with the fact that the average mma fighter would beat the dog**** out of most top boxers. There was a time where boxing was considered real fighting and the hw champ was the baddest man on the planet.

[Madison Boxing]

The most dangerous fighters for AJ to face would be Wilder, King Kong, Tyson Fury and Jarrell Miller, all fighters he's been steered away from.

AJ has accomplished a great deal, and is deserving of a #1 ranking at heavyweight, but cleared out the division? He hasn't fought any of the most dangerous fighters in the division.

and what the hell has miller done to be considered more dangerous than parker, povetkin, klitschko. who the hell has he beat? he doesnt even pass the eye test cause he looks like a big fat useless plodder

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and what the hell has miller done to be considered more dangerous than parker, povetkin, klitschko. who the hell has he beat?

Fury is the one that cleared Klitschko, not AJ. As for Parker, Miller has way more points on Boxrec and most experts would favor him over Parker. I don't know a single respected expert that would consider Parker the better favorite Miller.

he doesnt even pass the eye test cause he looks like a big fat useless plodder

No such thing as eye test on boxrec. Wins and losses my friend.

[soul_survivor]

The most dangerous fighters for AJ to face would be Wilder, King Kong, Tyson Fury and Jarrell Miller, all fighters he's been steered away from.

AJ has accomplished a great deal, and is deserving of a #1 ranking at heavyweight, but cleared out the division? He hasn't fought any of the most dangerous fighters in the division.

The Wilder fight would have happened this year if Wilder signed for it, he did not. It will happen though, so don't worry about that.

Now Ortiz is an old guy who plods forward with a basic 1-2. He has done nothing to deserve this so called label of being a dangerous fighter. Whyte, Povetkin and Takam all have better records and these are all guys AJ fought and stopped.

Miller is nothing but a fat loud mouth who has done even less than Ortiz. Name me his best win?

Fury back in 2015 may have been something but he barely got through fighting two part timers ranked outside the top 100. He is about as dangerous as your brain in a spelling contest.

[soul_survivor]

Interesting way to look at it.

It's a pretty straight forward way of looking at it I think. I said this around 2015 and the circus which was Pac/May, which is that the current US boxing economy could not and would not be sustained. And it hasn't been.

[soul_survivor]

I'm not talking about the mob running boxing. I'm talking about the IBC lawsuit which prevented boxing from having a monopoly. You know like every other sport can have. Thats the giant structural problem in boxing. Everything else is small potatoes compared to that problem. Boxing is like a thousand lil mom and pop businesse cuz of that.



Thats silly. If the foundation of your house is crooked, lopsided & damaged what does a problem with the guest bedroom really matter in the scheme of things? I say not much.

If elite level boxing was all under the same banner like all elite level football is under the NFL banner the problems with boxing instantly gets reduced by a factor of 10 probably. You aren't going far enough back in where the problem is and why the problems are.



Oh so this is just a PBC hater thread?

Cmon man be logical. We see all these mfers in America playing the same game, but a bunch of PBC fanboys act like its just Arum & a bunch of Arum fanboys act like its just PBC and same with all the other dynamics of the powerful en****** in boxing. All mfers like that are looking too hard at the surface (and usually just one region of it hence their unreasonable bias) instead of problems under thesurface.es

Ah I misread about the mob, my bad. I agree that a single, unified body for boxing as a whole would be far more beneficial but that has never been to the benefit of the myriad of promoters and managers, along with the various organisations, all part of the global problem but we're talking specifically about dropping ratings in the US, losing the sports biggest network (at one time) and the irrelevance of American fighters.

Nope, this is not just a PBC hate thread but I raised a point, if you can argue then fine, if not it stands. The point is that Haymon controls the welterweight division, has done so, barring Pacquiao, for the better part of half a decade. Much like King did to the heavyweights in the 80s and part of the 90s...you know what the difference is? King had his heavyweights fight each other, we're years and years into the PBC experiment and have only just got Porter v Garcia, we barely got Thurman v Porter and that too happened a year or more after it was originally slated. Now the top guy in the divisions, supposedly, is Thurman and yet he is sitting out and not even booked into a fight. Spence, the most promising young fighter at 147 fought a scrub and a shot fighter post Brook, all of them months and months apart.

Now compare GGG, Canelo, Crawford and Lomachenko to Thurman, Spence, Porter and Garcia. Who since the start of the PBC experiment have had better opponents or bigger fights or are better known?

Don't get me wrong, all American promoters and tv networks are guilty of this but PBC has taken what HBO did, I call it the Roy Jones problem (paying a good fighter too much to fight too much crap) and just lowered the bar even more. Spence is a millionaire with only one world class win under his belt. Thurman is rankedn umber one having accomplished nothing of any serious note.

Should I even bother getting started on Wilder, his four year run with the WBC belt?

I call a spade a spade. I called it 3 years ago with Pac/May and said the model of American boxing could not be sustained, HBO is the first and largest casualty, the others are not too far behind.

[kidbazooka]

The year is 1894 and Thomas Edison films the legendary James J. Corbett in an exhibition, a visual first and occurs in Orange County, New Jersey...United States of America. Fast forward almost three decades and another first takes place, the first ever voice broadcast of a sporting event, an exhibition bout held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Another American first. It was a nation of boxing pioneers, the sport so intertwined with its nationhood that the heavyweight championship was viewed as the most prestigious of prizes, its holder a national icon.

Now HBO, boxing's greatest platform for decades retires from the sport. Friday Night fights to pay-per-view to its international deals with the BBC and Sky Sports are all now consigned to history. Was it inevitable? Maybe, some point down the line but in 2018? It seems to be a symptom of the time. Boxing is no longer intertwined with the American conscience and ever since the Klitschkos dominated the division, the heavyweight championship has been ignored, looked down upon even. It is no longer American, so why should they care?

This could possible be a sign of the times, an insular nation, looking inwards for its sporting heroes, no longer wanting the rising tide of Hispanic and increasingly European and Asiatic world beaters. The sport has moved on, stadiums are sold out in Germany, the UK, Russia and the eastern bloc...pay per view is not the only way and TV broadcasts made the Klitschkos household names across Europe. The biggest star in the sport has not even had a single fight on American soil.

As American boxing stands still, frantically eyeing up potential stars, HBO gives up. Why? The answer is simple. The sport has become too corrupted, to glossy, money floating around sub par fighters in sub par fights. HBO is to blame in part, paying Roy Jones huge sums of money to fight a string of bums...Joe Louis had the bum of the month, Roy Jones had a bum every month. Its natural predecessor, the Al Haymon run PBC, pays undeserving fighters millions to avoid each other and fight lesser names. It essentially owns the welterweight division but Thurman, supposedly the top fighter, may never fight again, Spence has yet to fight Garcia, Thurman or Porter and those three names only fought each other after 3 years of circling.

All the while, Anthony Joshua in 21 fights has almost cleared out the heavyweight division, Oleksandr Usyk is undisputed champion in less fights and Vasyl Lomachenko is the sports premier fighter. All the while, someone as talented as Gervonta Davis is known more for his spat with Floyd Mayweather than any fight.

HBO has left boxing because America not only turned its back on the sport but it allowed it to be contorted, twisted and corrupted beyond measure. The others will soon follow.

Please stop pretending that Joshua is the biggest star in the sport lol yes maybe in Europe but outside of Europe no.one knows who the heck he is.

Yet Canelo is huge in Mexico and America and is better known in the uk than Joshua is known in Mexico or America.

Even Joshua ha admitted canelo is the biggest star in boxing right now

[Southpawology]

Blame some of the fans too. Some of you guys cry when they dont make the best fights possible and then when they actually DO you ILLEGALLY stream it.