Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: Canelo Won Clearly, He Broke Golovkin

[markther]

When did Roy Jones say he had GGG slightly winning? Link? or stop lying. You were one of the bias fanboys saying GGG would win and you trying to put words in Roy Jones jr's mouth now. DONT TRY TO MAKE Sh?+ UP...

First of all, don’t get courage with me over a keyboard. I know people. I can find you and have someone take care of you.

Secondly, I predicted that Canelo would win by a decision. I even stated that I wouldn’t post here anymore. Then I considered GGG. Then I said, I have to stick with my gut feeling and my original pick, Canelo by decision. Rematches favor fighters with more tools in the tool box. You can look up any post here about Canelo and GGG and you will see that.

3rd, I am not a fan of any fighter. I am a fan of boxing period. And I’ve been a fan for over 30 years. I still train around bunch of fighters and trainers to stay in shape.

4th. Here is the link with Roy
https://********/6KhLpmcM1Qs

[Boxing Logic]

I'm a Ward fan, but I can't agree with this. Golovkin was game until the final bell, and won the 12th on a judge's card. I thought Alvarez won, but I didn't see him "break" anyone.

Don't you know? Every foreign boxer is just a hypejob created by "the white supremacists at HBO," I mean couldn't you hear them favoring GGG and ****ting on Canelo all night? They wanted Canelo to lose so bad! Everything is always in GGG's favor, and against Canelo and the American brothers! Every foreign boxer is a hypejobcreated by white supremacist HBO, and whenever they lose more 2 rounds in a fight, it means they were "exposed," and any time a decision goes against them, no matter how corrupt the judges (for Loma it was in Texas with the worst ref in the world son of the commissioner I believe, for Kovalev and GGG it was Vegas), it's not just a loss, it means they were "broken." When Kovalev got hit with 50 low blows by Ward, and got three uppercuts in a row right to the nuts and bent down expecting Ward to get warned, that was him "quitting." When GGG won the last 3 rounds against Canelo and stunned him twice, that meant Canelo "broke" GGG.

It honestly feels like bizarro world, that these are the people given large megaphones to voice what is supposed to be the normal, official take on what happened. Just because guys like Roy and Ward are ex-boxers does not mean they are fair-minded, good people who should be given the power and RESPONSIBILITY of that megaphone. They clearly either have personal animus towards GGG, or are simply xenophobic or jealous (very Christian, Andre) or something. The man gets ducked by Canelo for 3 years, Canelo even drops the belt to delay the fight until GGG is past his prime, Canelo only takes the fight after he sees clear slippage from GGG against both Brook and Jacobs (I noticed him slipping way before that but it only showed up obviously once GGG faced Brook and Jacobs), they rob GGG the first time, then Canelo pops for steroids and makes GGG get even a year older, then in the rematch I think GGG's altitude extreme training is really *****ing with his body now at this age because he was breathing super heavy against Canelo before Canelo even hit him once in the body... so basically after all that, I think GGG hit the wall, physically, by the 2nd or 3rd round against Canelo, a prime, fast, big puncher, in the biggest fight of GGG's career... so GGG was having to fight this guy with no air in his lungs, at only a percentage of his best self, and yet with his skill but mostly pure heart, after EVERYTHING that went against him, mostly by Canelo, Vegas, HBO, and other people, but some by his own team's mistakes, after ALL that, GGG still manages to put in an epic performance that will remembered for a long time and COME BACK to beat the prime opponent who actually has a competent trainer, but still look how they talk about him.

It reminds me of how Chocolatito moved up in weight to fight much bigger men, at an age where Chocolatito was already reaching the end of his prime, then he signed to fight a much bigger, super dangerous, super hard punching mandatory, Sor Rungvisai, instead of ducking his mandatory like so many of the American and Mexican stars do, then Sor Rungvisai dropped him with a body shot in the first round before headbutting him multiple times not long later, and Chocolatito had to fight the rest of the fight with blood spurting out his face in his eyes, against a much bigger, huge punching opponent, and yet somehow Chocolatito came back against all the odds and put in Rocky type of performance, only for the decision to be given to Sor Rungvisai, ironically, some believe, to clear the #1 P4P spot up so they could give it to the American, Ward.

Now, that fight Im still not actually sure who deserved to win, but it was an epic performance worthy of respect. The other reason it reminds me of Canelo-GGG II is that despite the performance Chocolatito gave, all the usual suspects were still online ****ting on him and calling him a white hypejob, I kid you not.

Canelo-GGG II, GGG definitely won, but it's the same type of thing. Everything was put in place to make him lose, that is what the powers that be wanted to happen, but with pure heart and will he flipped that script and forced them to rob him again if they were going to give it to Canelo. So, they did. Anyone who celebrates that most likely just had some serious family issues growing up or something and they have serious issues, they're not a fair or balanced person, they're the type of people who would poison an opponent before a fight but still beat their chest after knocking him out. Pathetic, little people. Not all, some are just Mexican homers, but many of the others are just pathetic.

[elfag]

Ward ducked GGG at 164.

[daggum]

exactly....if ward is bitter towards golovkin it aint about money...more likely that he ran his mouth and then ducked ward when ward was able to fight......

when ward was able to fight he needed a tune up first lol. 2 fight deal and delay the canelo fight just for ward nah dont think so. that offer was publicity to claim ggg ducked but if ward wanted to fight he would have just offered to fight ggg not in a years time while ggg was clearly on a fight by fight basis. some people refuse to understand this and play dumb over and over

[elfag]

Don't you know? Every foreign boxer is just a hypejob created by "the white supremacists at HBO," I mean couldn't you hear them favoring GGG and ****ting on Canelo all night? They wanted Canelo to lose so bad! Everything is always in GGG's favor, and against Canelo and the American brothers! Every foreign boxer is a hypejobcreated by white supremacist HBO, and whenever they lose more 2 rounds in a fight, it means they were "exposed," and any time a decision goes against them, no matter how corrupt the judges (for Loma it was in Texas with the worst ref in the world son of the commissioner I believe, for Kovalev and GGG it was Vegas), it's not just a loss, it means they were "broken." When Kovalev got hit with 50 low blows by Ward, and got three uppercuts in a row right to the nuts and bent down expecting Ward to get warned, that was him "quitting." When GGG won the last 3 rounds against Canelo and stunned him twice, that meant Canelo "broke" GGG.

It honestly feels like bizarro world, that these are the people given large megaphones to voice what is supposed to be the normal, official take on what happened. Just because guys like Roy and Ward are ex-boxers does not mean they are fair-minded, good people who should be given the power and RESPONSIBILITY of that megaphone. They clearly either have personal animus towards GGG, or are simply xenophobic or jealous (very Christian, Andre) or something. The man gets ducked by Canelo for 3 years, Canelo even drops the belt to delay the fight until GGG is past his prime, Canelo only takes the fight after he sees clear slippage from GGG against both Brook and Jacobs (I noticed him slipping way before that but it only showed up obviously once GGG faced Brook and Jacobs), they rob GGG the first time, then Canelo pops for steroids and makes GGG get even a year older, then in the rematch I think GGG's altitude extreme training is really *****ing with his body now at this age because he was breathing super heavy against Canelo before Canelo even hit him once in the body... so basically after all that, I think GGG hit the wall, physically, by the 2nd or 3rd round against Canelo, a prime, fast, big puncher, in the biggest fight of GGG's career... so GGG was having to fight this guy with no air in his lungs, at only a percentage of his best self, and yet with his skill but mostly pure heart, after EVERYTHING that went against him, mostly by Canelo, Vegas, HBO, and other people, but some by his own team's mistakes, after ALL that, GGG still manages to put in an epic performance that will remembered for a long time and COME BACK to beat the prime opponent who actually has a competent trainer, but still look how they talk about him.

It reminds me of how Chocolatito moved up in weight to fight much bigger men, at an age where Chocolatito was already reaching the end of his prime, then he signed to fight a much bigger, super dangerous, super hard punching mandatory, Sor Rungvisai, instead of ducking his mandatory like so many of the American and Mexican stars do, then Sor Rungvisai dropped him with a body shot in the first round before headbutting him multiple times not long later, and Chocolatito had to fight the rest of the fight with blood spurting out his face in his eyes, against a much bigger, huge punching opponent, and yet somehow Chocolatito came back against all the odds and put in Rocky type of performance, only for the decision to be given to Sor Rungvisai, ironically, some believe, to clear the #1 P4P spot up so they could give it to the American, Ward.

Now, that fight Im still not actually sure who deserved to win, but it was an epic performance worthy of respect. The other reason it reminds me of Canelo-GGG II is that despite the performance Chocolatito gave, all the usual suspects were still online ****ting on him and calling him a white hypejob, I kid you not.

Canelo-GGG II, GGG definitely won, but it's the same type of thing. Everything was put in place to make him lose, that is what the powers that be wanted to happen, but with pure heart and will he flipped that script and forced them to rob him again if they were going to give it to Canelo. So, they did. Anyone who celebrates that most likely just had some serious family issues growing up or something and they have serious issues, they're not a fair or balanced person, they're the type of people who would poison an opponent before a fight but still beat their chest after knocking him out. Pathetic, little people. Not all, some are just Mexican homers, but many of the others are just pathetic.

Yeah he forced those mean judges to rob him by running all night. What an amazing performance LLL had, threw some jabs and ran all night from a former welterweight.

[Curt Henning]

when ward was able to fight he needed a tune up first lol. 2 fight deal and delay the canelo fight just for ward nah dont think so. that offer was publicity to claim ggg ducked but if ward wanted to fight he would have just offered to fight ggg not in a years time while ggg was clearly on a fight by fight basis. some people refuse to understand this and play dumb over and over

ward said each guy takes one tuneup and they fight .......that was in the last quarter of 2015 ward made that offer.....ggg spent all of 2016 fighting dom wade and kell brook...no canelo till sept 2017

you are the one playing dumb...but im guessing its not an act

[johndoefoe]

i am ggg fan,,but cunelo win this

[SteveM]

ward also didnt get a network behind him paying him to face all b/c level guys in order to boost his profile and get themselves a "star"

ward had to go through the super 6 where he was an underdog....and when he came back hbo wanted him at 175 so they didnt have to face the prospects of him and golovkin at 168

im glad golovkin got paid...i really am...but ward aint salty...he just dont have a ton of respect for golovkin...golovkin ran his gums when ward was sidelined and tucked his tail when ward was back...ward prob dont have a ton of respect for golovkin thats all...its not bitterness about any money...ward has money...

when ward came back he made 20 mil in 2 years

That's your perspective. Golovkin was a machine between the ages of 26-34 and HBO saw the potential. You can't make a star out of someone who doesn't have star material. Yes he fought less than stellar opposition - you gonna argue he wasn't avoided? But to create the myth and hype he had to do something spectacular - who else has a 23 KO's in a row record? Even against c/B level opponents - who many by the way were ex belt holders or belt challengers.

That is a real twist you put on it 'bout HBO not wanting Ward andGolovkin at 168. Farcical mis-guided perspective. GGG wasn't going to 168 when his team could see a Canelo fight down the line.

The truth is that 168 had no big stars, nobody for Ward to fight and HBO wasn't goona get behind his boring a55 style in non-descript fights. "Go make a noise at 175 and challenge yourself and then we'll get behind you" is what that was all about. Fair play to Ward. He moved up and slayed the Kov monster - in his own mind and fan's minds anyway.

[Calibaloc]

First of all, don’t get courage with me over a keyboard. I know people. I can find you and have someone take care of you.

Secondly, I predicted that Canelo would win by a decision. I even stated that I wouldn’t post here anymore. Then I considered GGG. Then I said, I have to stick with my gut feeling and my original pick, Canelo by decision. Rematches favor fighters with more tools in the tool box. You can look up any post here about Canelo and GGG and you will see that.

3rd, I am not a fan of any fighter. I am a fan of boxing period. And I’ve been a fan for over 30 years. I still train around bunch of fighters and trainers to stay in shape.

4th. Here is the link with Roy
https://********/6KhLpmcM1Qs

Bro im the wrong person to try to intimedate so save it..why you got so angry lol

anyway I remember you as one of the dudes saying that GGG would win like YOU just said "you considered GGG". When you "considered" him on a post that YOU tryped, thats what I remember. So calm down. And like I said he NEVER said he had GGG slightly winning. THose words never came out of his mouth he said "he could of gave GGG the fight in a sense HAD he(GGG) NOT asked Canelo to come out and FIGHT me and Canelo did just that". I can quote more if you would like... He even said Canelo landed the harder cleaner punches in this same interview.

[Stevenubbs]

This is just hbo propaganda. I’m boycotting hbo due to their fixed fights and I’m boycotting gbp as well due to their part in it. It’s gone to far. We as fight fans will lose the sport as a whole to this if we don’t do something about it and cut the infection out. Andre ward was a great fighter. Got signed to hbo for his personality so he can take Roy Jones place at commentary. There is an agenda. After the **** show biased commentary from hbo (know that gggs contract with hbo is up and Canelo is starting his) I can’t even watch anymore because it’s like they forget they’re reading a script and make it so obvious. Anytime max kellerman speaks I already know who’s gonna win the fight before it starts and that’s not because of his knowledge. It’s because he is not good at translating his script. Now this isn’t the wwe. This is real fighting. I’m done with hbo and with gbp and I hope some people wise up and follow that or make the conscious effort to clean our sport of frauds. Enough of the blatant cheating. The set up scores. The biased commentating. Enough. Anyone wanna bet there’s a 3rd fight between them? Yea we all knew that before the first one and how convenient the scores reflect that and keep the customer wanting more as in (ggg fans thinking he won so they want another rematch) any other score they wouldn’t be getting a rematch. I can’t stand it. And neither should you.