I'm glad GGG won't be considered in p4p #1 discussion

[sunny31]

Not hating on the man, but it irritated me that people considered him up there. He is not, and never has been the calibre of fighter that Loma or Crawford are. He has got nowhere near the talent, tools and versatility that those guys possess, and he certainly hasn't done it in as many weight divisions.

Golovkin struggles against good fighters, those two wipe them out. You could probably throw Mikey in there too, and Usyk in recent times. To me Golovkin has always been a little overrated and a back half of the top 10 p4p type, great fighter, but too limited to be considered that high, he is a physically domineering one weight type fighter.

[chrisJS]

He’s excellent and makes for good action in the ring but yeah I never understood the p4p talk. I had/have him #4 but a lot closer to 7 or 8 on my list than #3.

[Eddy Current]

There's no denying he made his name as a devastating knockout artist by fighting B- and C level talent, gatekeeper sort of guys. Obviously you have to be a great fighter to destroy those guys like he did, but a top fighter is expected to destroy guys like that.

Guys like Floyd, Loma, Ward, etc were able to do that against TOP fighters which is something GGG doesn't have the ability to do.

[Redd Foxx]

He was a legit #1 when Ward retired, but that didn't last after he got a Canelo decision, Crawford got some more work in, and Loma did more to erase his loss. Recent discussion of him being #1 was a stretch, IMO.

[sunny31]

He’s excellent and makes for good action in the ring but yeah I never understood the p4p talk. I had/have him #4 but a lot closer to 7 or 8 on my list than #3.

He's definitely unique, he has that Eastern Euro technique, but then the short punching that most fighters from that school lack, but he's certainly not a p4p #1 type, I never understood it

[sunny31]

There's no denying he made his name as a devastating knockout artist by fighting B- and C level talent, gatekeeper sort of guys. Obviously you have to be a great fighter to destroy those guys like he did, but a top fighter is expected to destroy guys like that.

Guys like Floyd, Loma, Ward, etc were able to do that against TOP fighters which is something GGG doesn't have the ability to do.

This is exactly how I've always felt. He's just not in that upper echelon, look at what Loma did to a smaller fellow p4p fighter in Rigo as one example.

[sunny31]

He was a legit #1 when Ward retired, but that didn't last after he got a Canelo decision, Crawford got some more work in, and Loma did more to erase his loss. Recent discussion of him being #1 was a stretch, IMO.

I've just never seen the talent that spot warrants with him, and it's not like he had an overwhelming CV to make up for it.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

He's a good fighter, but he's old and past his best days up against a younger fighter in his prime. He was only P4P#1 since nobody else had much of a resume because:

A) Mayweather & Pacquiao retired
B) Ward was on layoff --> came back and then retired
C) Lomachenko had very little fights & Usyk still up and coming
D) Crawford I think wasn't an undisputed champion at that point in time?

[Redd Foxx]

I've just never seen the talent that spot warrants with him, and it's not like he had an overwhelming CV to make up for it.

It's not just about talent though. You have to look at the landscape when he was rated #1 after Ward retired. You have to look at what a guy has done in combination with a lot of other things.

It's easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight and say Loma and Crawford are better now because they kept winning and GG didn't. But, at the time, the press was right to call GG #1.

That said, even had he won this fight, I wouldn't put him above Usyk or Loma right now.

[Redd Foxx]

He's a good fighter, but he's old and past his best days up against a younger fighter in his prime. He was only P4P#1 since nobody else had much of a resume because:

A) Mayweather & Pacquiao retired
B) Ward was on layoff --> came back and then retired
C) Lomachenko had very little fights & Usyk still up and coming
D) Crawford I think wasn't an undisputed champion at that point in time?

^He knows what I'm talking about. Given the situation, it was a bit of a stretch to put Bud or Loma above GG at the time. A lot of people felt it wouldn't last, and it didn't.