The last good White American champion......

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    #21
    Probably Pavlik, and then Morrison. Paulie was a good fighter for a while.

    I think the MMA boom had a big effect and most went into that. To be fair, there's some pretty good to all time great White MMA fighters from America. Someone brought up a good point about the popularity of wrestling in small town America.

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    • The Big Dunn
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      #22
      Andre Ward!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        #23
        Originally posted by Fabes88
        Well it was Algeri wasn’t it? But I guess the last white guy with any real momentum was kelly pavlik. It must’ve been fun on here whilst he was active. I could only imagine the reaction when he got schooled by bhop

        it wasnt algeri. he made 0 defenses of the title he won by controversial decision.

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          #24
          Originally posted by The Big Dunn
          Andre Ward!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          in that case he is the greatest white fighter of all time.

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          • FrankieClutch
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            #25
            Kelly Pavlik. Wish Alcohol never ruined his career, there were plenty of good fights for him at 160

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            • Mexican_Puppet
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              #26
              Originally posted by W1LL
              Kelly Pavlik was a beast in his prime. He was an enigma, a wrecking machine. Really underrated because of out-the-ring issues.
              Kelly Pavlik was a bum without skills and defense.

              He was overrated by those wins against Taylor but that guy was prettty normal and only had one win against a good rival in Taylor

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              • pillowfists98
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                #27
                Pavlik was a good champion. Not a great one though, Hopkins exposed him badly.

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                • Nay_Sayer
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                  #28
                  The Ghost...

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                  • Gigantes
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                    #29
                    Yuri Foreman?

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                    • chrisJS
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by bluebeam
                      in that case he is the greatest white fighter of all time.
                      You think Ward is greater than the following?

                      Harry Greb
                      Willie Pep
                      Benny Leonard
                      Gene Tunney
                      Billy Conn
                      Tommy Loughran
                      Mickey Walker
                      Barney Ross
                      Jimmy McLarnin
                      Tony Canzaoneri
                      Abe Attell
                      Lou Ambers
                      Stanley Ketchel
                      Carmen Basilio
                      Terry McGovern
                      Ad Wolgast
                      Sammy Angott
                      Rocky Marciano
                      Jack Dempsey
                      Jack Britton
                      Tommy Ryan

                      Just to name a few strictly from the US? If so you either don't know who they are or are very biased. They all have far superior legacies than Ward. That's just off the top of the head there's many more with better careers and legacies.

                      Pep & Greb are in most top 5's ever. Leonard is in most top 10's. Tunney, Ross, McLarnin are often in top 20's and a lot of the others would be in most top 50's. Ward wouldn't even sniff the top 100.

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