Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua: Deontay Wilder Has 2 or 3 Years Left in Career

[Tha Kid]

has it taken you all this time to think of this? Bit of a late reply isn't it?

You're still a moron though. That hasn't changed.

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[Noelanthony]

My goodness this was absolutely horrific. You almost got away with this joke of a post. I bet you felt good after pressing submit, thinking that you did something. Not a chance.

Allow me to dissect this compilation of hilarity.

"The bottom line is Arreola was still a ranked HW when he fought Wilder and only had (2) losses to Vitali and Adamek who were both ranked HW’s. That’s a FACT."

When Chris Arreola fought Deontay Wilder, he was not a ranked heavyweight. He lost to Vitali, Adamek, and Stiverne twice. After his second loss to Stiverne, he had a win over Curtis Harper (who?), a majority draw against Fred Kassi, and then a no decision against Travis Kauffman for failing a drug test.

So when you state that Arreola was a "ranked" heavyweight, that is a stretch. He wasn't really ranked at any place to be mentioned. He certainly wasn't ranked in the top ten, not the top 20, and not even in the top 30. Mentioning Wilder beating Arreola is nothing to brag about.

"The resumes are up for debate based on FACT and not YOUR OPINION. Again when Joshua fought Breazeale and Whyte, they weren’t ranked at the time as top HW’s in the division when those fights actually took place. Recently, the past few years they have been ranked high BUT NOT when Joshua fought them. That is a FACT not an OPINION."

Define what ranked high is. When he fought Whyte, both were not at the status that they both are now, but Breazeale was ranked in the top 25. This is proven by the ratings in the Premier Boxing Organization.

There is another glaring point that you are missing by bringing up these guys as Joshua's opponents, but you'll find out what that is later.

"Ortiz was ranked higher than anyone in Joshua’s CURRENT resume of WINS. Even Molina was ranked higher when Wilder fight him FIRST. Those are FACTS, not OPINIONS."

FALSE. Ortiz was not ranked higher than Parker and this is easily proven not only in the rankings posted by the Premier Boxing Organization but also the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board. Right here.

http://www.tbrb.org/2018/03/14/13-march-2018/

Parker was a world champion, something that Ortiz was not. Therefore, Parker was a bigger win for Joshua than Wilder's was over Ortiz.

On top of that, you ignored Klitschko as a big win for Joshua. I saw your other posts trying to diminish it which was foolish. The difference with Wlad and Fury is that Wlad did not go on a drug binge and have depression and gain a bunch of weight when he was inactive. He was in shape and was ready to go in 2016 for that Fury rematch. It was Fury that had cold feet. The Wlad that was in the ring against Joshua that night was MUCH better than the one in Germany. No one can dispute that. That is why the Klitschko-Fury fight ended up being a bore while Joshua-Klitschko was Fight of the Year. Many of the boxing writers and those that cover the sport recognize that as a great win for Joshua. Yet you can't. Wow.

"Another interesting FACT. In that same 4 year period from 2014 to 2018, the combined losses of Wilders opponents were (29). In contrast, in the same period of time from 2014 to 2018, Joshua’s opponents had combined losses of (112). That’s is a FACT, not an OPINION."

You point that out but it shows your lack of awareness when it comes to comparing those resumes. Funny that you select a four year period from 2014 to 2018 given that Joshua fought seven times in 2014. You know what, that's fine. Shoot, I'll even give you those first couple of fights in 2015. But after that, he fought five guys that were undefeated - FIVE - and beat them all. Add Molina, Wlad, and Takam, and you have a very good resume and there is a reason why every publication and every TV columnist around rates Joshua over Wilder...he has better wins.

Oh, last but not least...Wilder has been a pro for ten years. TEN years. Joshua has been a pro for five. Joshua has done much more in five years than Wilder did in the same time span and done more than Wilder has in his entire career. That is why he is the top guy in the division.

Damn you took his head clean off his neck

[JRB123]

Damn you took his head clean off his neck

That's why he didn't have a logical reply. He couldn't comeback from that schooling.

[umop-ap!sdn]

ha... ok than

Beating Joshua twice says Joshua being the A side gets a rematch clause so you have to beat him twice. It's simple to understand unless you're a complete idiot. So congratulations.

It has nothing to do with confidence, just a statement of fact. Joshua even says in the piece that if Wilder believes he can beat him, come and get it. Simple really.

Clearly you didn't get it. Im reading between the lines something simple minded folk cant seem to do. Not talking literally. AJ talking of himself losing is psychological in MY OPINION and I am entitled to an opinion. There are fighters who would never say IF i lose or talk about a rematch before they fight someone because it's inviting negativity into your mind. In a sense it shows doubt. Usually talk of rematches is left to managers and contract negotiations, it's not something FIGHTERS walk around saying. Good on you for standing up for your boyfriend though.

Oh and "idiot" oooooooohoooooohoh your sooooooo cool and tough and you sure put me in my place and all that good stuff that comes with being a keyboard warrior. Cheers sir.

[umop-ap!sdn]

Then no champion should request for a rematch clause. That was one of Wilders stipulations why he didn’t sign the fight. Most of his fans including you have been moaning for months about it.

You are talking all this philosophy crap about confidence and a fighter thinking about a loss is warped but in the same breath saying “ I’m not saying a fighter shouldn’t get a rematch clause” what is it? Because a rematch clause going by your strategy speaks of a fighter not being 100 percent confident hence a safety net.

Do you think there was a rematch clause in place with Wilder vs Ortiz? Or because AJ spoke on it it means he is thinking about a loss?get real and stop reaching

No sir... if you read what i said i did not say he should not want a rematch clause. Im saying he should not be openly TALKING about it in interviews. That is CONTRACT talks for your management not a fkn piece of info for an article. Fighters talking about a rematch is like saying IF and WHEN i lose. You are not supposed to think you can lose. Sure get insurance in form of a rematch clause but leave that to your management team, dont talk about it as if it's something that even exists. Shows doubt. The mind is a very powerful tool and if AJ is allowing his mind to imagine him losing that to me as an free thinker is a sign of weakness. Not a stretch at all. Its my opinion.

[Noelanthony]

No sir... if you read what i said i did not say he should not want a rematch clause. Im saying he should not be openly TALKING about it in interviews. That is CONTRACT talks for your management not a fkn piece of info for an article. Fighters talking about a rematch is like saying IF and WHEN i lose. You are not supposed to think you can lose. Sure get insurance in form of a rematch clause but leave that to your management team, dont talk about it as if it's something that even exists. Shows doubt. The mind is a very powerful tool and if AJ is allowing his mind to imagine him losing that to me as an free thinker is a sign of weakness. Not a stretch at all. Its my opinion.

Fair enough....

[Raggamuffin]

Joshua is a ****en coward. How anyone defends this dip**** is beyond me lol

[jas]

Aj ducking . Why else would wilders retirement age be on his mind

[Marchegiano]

My goodness this was absolutely horrific. You almost got away with this joke of a post. I bet you felt good after pressing submit, thinking that you did something. Not a chance.

Allow me to dissect this compilation of hilarity.

"The bottom line is Arreola was still a ranked HW when he fought Wilder and only had (2) losses to Vitali and Adamek who were both ranked HW’s. That’s a FACT."

When Chris Arreola fought Deontay Wilder, he was not a ranked heavyweight. He lost to Vitali, Adamek, and Stiverne twice. After his second loss to Stiverne, he had a win over Curtis Harper (who?), a majority draw against Fred Kassi, and then a no decision against Travis Kauffman for failing a drug test.

So when you state that Arreola was a "ranked" heavyweight, that is a stretch. He wasn't really ranked at any place to be mentioned. He certainly wasn't ranked in the top ten, not the top 20, and not even in the top 30. Mentioning Wilder beating Arreola is nothing to brag about.

"The resumes are up for debate based on FACT and not YOUR OPINION. Again when Joshua fought Breazeale and Whyte, they weren’t ranked at the time as top HW’s in the division when those fights actually took place. Recently, the past few years they have been ranked high BUT NOT when Joshua fought them. That is a FACT not an OPINION."

Define what ranked high is. When he fought Whyte, both were not at the status that they both are now, but Breazeale was ranked in the top 25. This is proven by the ratings in the Premier Boxing Organization.

There is another glaring point that you are missing by bringing up these guys as Joshua's opponents, but you'll find out what that is later.

"Ortiz was ranked higher than anyone in Joshua’s CURRENT resume of WINS. Even Molina was ranked higher when Wilder fight him FIRST. Those are FACTS, not OPINIONS."

FALSE. Ortiz was not ranked higher than Parker and this is easily proven not only in the rankings posted by the Premier Boxing Organization but also the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board. Right here.

http://www.tbrb.org/2018/03/14/13-march-2018/

Parker was a world champion, something that Ortiz was not. Therefore, Parker was a bigger win for Joshua than Wilder's was over Ortiz.

On top of that, you ignored Klitschko as a big win for Joshua. I saw your other posts trying to diminish it which was foolish. The difference with Wlad and Fury is that Wlad did not go on a drug binge and have depression and gain a bunch of weight when he was inactive. He was in shape and was ready to go in 2016 for that Fury rematch. It was Fury that had cold feet. The Wlad that was in the ring against Joshua that night was MUCH better than the one in Germany. No one can dispute that. That is why the Klitschko-Fury fight ended up being a bore while Joshua-Klitschko was Fight of the Year. Many of the boxing writers and those that cover the sport recognize that as a great win for Joshua. Yet you can't. Wow.

"Another interesting FACT. In that same 4 year period from 2014 to 2018, the combined losses of Wilders opponents were (29). In contrast, in the same period of time from 2014 to 2018, Joshua’s opponents had combined losses of (112). That’s is a FACT, not an OPINION."

You point that out but it shows your lack of awareness when it comes to comparing those resumes. Funny that you select a four year period from 2014 to 2018 given that Joshua fought seven times in 2014. You know what, that's fine. Shoot, I'll even give you those first couple of fights in 2015. But after that, he fought five guys that were undefeated - FIVE - and beat them all. Add Molina, Wlad, and Takam, and you have a very good resume and there is a reason why every publication and every TV columnist around rates Joshua over Wilder...he has better wins.

Oh, last but not least...Wilder has been a pro for ten years. TEN years. Joshua has been a pro for five. Joshua has done much more in five years than Wilder did in the same time span and done more than Wilder has in his entire career. That is why he is the top guy in the division.

Wilder fought Arreola on July 16 of 2016. On July 11 of 2016 Chris Arreola was ranked 9th by the WBC.

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I feel like you sold Breazeale short as well. He was ranked 2 on 6-24-2016 by the WBC. Joshua fought him on 6-25-2016. Top 25 is misleading in puzzling direction....it weakens your argument not his. 2 is much higher.


Ortiz was ranked 3rd by the WBC on day prior to fighting Wilder. I'm not making an argument here it's just that the ****** ranks don't mean ****. The WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO do not give a **** what PBC, Ring, or the girls who post on ESB while calling themselves impartial think. Also, I think you misunderstood what he was saying, either that or I did. I took it as from that point back. Joshua fought Parker after Wilder fought Ortiz so he doesn't have anything to do with the point fella made. Breazeale does though.

Wlad was out for two years as well, and he lost to Fury. You kind of lost me with that one. Just because Tyson got fat and Wlad didn't? That's a bit of a silly reason to claim Wlad's a better win. Josh has plenty of good wins, it should be easy for you to give up on the argument and I reckon you ought to.


Seems like as fair an anecdote as bringing up undefeated fighters. Povetkin was shy about taking 0's and that doesn't stop him from being praised for his own resume nor does it stop you from using him as an example of a good win on Joshua's resume. I feel like you both made good points, right or wrong they were still decent and understandable, up until youse get into this nonsense. Combined losses and unbeaten fighters don't build resumes and both y'all know that. Top rank, high profile. Nothing else matters.

Joshua's resume has nothing to do with his media presence over Wilder. Joshua debutted with more media presence than Wilder. That's got more to do with Hearn...if Hearn launched him, if it was some other guy it's got more to do with the promoter who launched him.


Well, you have official and unofficial. Unofficially you can say **** like:

Oh, last but not least...Wilder has been a pro for ten years. TEN years. Joshua has been a pro for five. Joshua has done much more in five years than Wilder did in the same time span and done more than Wilder has in his entire career. That is why he is the top guy in the division

which is vague and doesn't mean anything, but officially, Joshua's top dog because he is unified. There's no argument to be had. Unofficially y'all can argue over whatever and neither is really right or wrong about your conclusions only the evidence youse use to get there.

So which is it youse are actually arguing about because there's just as much relying on the official ranking for authority as there is spurning the official ranking in the name of countering a point in the **** y'all say.

[JRB123]

Wilder fought Arreola on July 16 of 2016. On July 11 of 2016 Chris Arreola was ranked 9th by the WBC.

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Not sure if mega is a good image host for forum usage, but if it doesn't embed you should still be able to follow the link.


I feel like you sold Breazeale short as well. He was ranked 2 on 6-24-2016 by the WBC. Joshua fought him on 6-25-2016. Top 25 is misleading in puzzling direction....it weakens your argument not his. 2 is much higher.


Ortiz was ranked 3rd by the WBC on day prior to fighting Wilder. I'm not making an argument here it's just that the ****** ranks don't mean ****. The WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO do not give a **** what PBC, Ring, or the girls who post on ESB while calling themselves impartial think. Also, I think you misunderstood what he was saying, either that or I did. I took it as from that point back. Joshua fought Parker after Wilder fought Ortiz so he doesn't have anything to do with the point fella made. Breazeale does though.

Wlad was out for two years as well, and he lost to Fury. You kind of lost me with that one. Just because Tyson got fat and Wlad didn't? That's a bit of a silly reason to claim Wlad's a better win. Josh has plenty of good wins, it should be easy for you to give up on the argument and I reckon you ought to.


Seems like as fair an anecdote as bringing up undefeated fighters. Povetkin was shy about taking 0's and that doesn't stop him from being praised for his own resume nor does it stop you from using him as an example of a good win on Joshua's resume. I feel like you both made good points, right or wrong they were still decent and understandable, up until youse get into this nonsense. Combined losses and unbeaten fighters don't build resumes and both y'all know that. Top rank, high profile. Nothing else matters.

Joshua's resume has nothing to do with his media presence over Wilder. Joshua debutted with more media presence than Wilder. That's got more to do with Hearn...if Hearn launched him, if it was some other guy it's got more to do with the promoter who launched him.


Well, you have official and unofficial. Unofficially you can say **** like: which is vague and doesn't mean anything, but officially, Joshua's top dog because he is unified. There's no argument to be had. Unofficially y'all can argue over whatever and neither is really right or wrong about your conclusions only the evidence youse use to get there.

So which is it youse are actually arguing about because there's just as much relying on the official ranking for authority as there is spurning the official ranking in the name of countering a point in the **** y'all say.

My base is coming from the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board and the Premier Boxing Organization. We know that the likes of the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO have their rankings influenced by politics so I don't go off of that as much. This is why I had viewed Arreola at the spot that he was when he fought Wilder. From 2012 up until 2016, Arreola's record was 3-2-1 with 1 NC. No way that record reflects that Arreola is a top fighter. Where his ranking was at the WBC at the time can't be much of a factor when his fights were against Curtis Harper, Fred Kassi, and Travis Kauffman after losing by KO to Stiverne.

Not sure where you got your rankings on Breazeale from. He was ranked 9th in the IBF when Joshua had his voluntary defense against him. I don't see him ranked anywhere in the WBC at that time.

Wladimir Klitschko didn't go on a drug binge and gain massive amounts of weight in his time off. Tyson Fury did. That is why many still considered Klitschko at the top of the division when he returned against Joshua. Did those same people consider Fury to be at the top of the division when he returned to fight a low ranked cruiserweight in Seferi? Nope.

In reference to media presence, that is on the promoter...but the resume is on both the promoter and the fighter. Joshua requested to make the fight happen between him and Martin and between him and Wlad and it got done. What did Wilder and his team do? Pass on multiple fights for years until he was put into the position to win the WBC belt where they had catered to his (and his team's) desires.