Comments Thread For: Usyk's Promoter: Bellew Fight on Track For November 10

[BillyBoxing]

'Big-Baby' is too much of a risk, I don't know if Usyk gets a automatic shot or a eliminator straight-up by the sanctioning bodies once he moves up to HW -- that I'm sure team Usyk must consider before doing business with Matchroom/DAZN -- I wouldn't sign with that weasel Eddie Hearns without Joshua on the contract.

You just don't get it Billy and take things to heart and literal ; the corruption in the UK is out of control, Usyk is not very bright.

Now you are going off on a rant talking about 'Mickey-Mouse' Garcia, I think the fact that I can call Mikey out on his BS says I'm not letting my 'patriotism' get in the way of my judgement.

The U.S.A is filled with the best boxers in the world and will never have a shortage, we wont miss a cherry-picker like Garcia.

So Mikey Garcia is a cherry picker?

He fought better oppo than the so called Lions, the well named Charlos, Deontay, Spence PERIOD

You guys hating on your own fighters.

The 2 Garcias are called cherry pickers, yet they arguably fought the better oppo out of every current american fighters, including Bud.

[rolshans]

'Big-Baby' is too much of a risk, I don't know if Usyk gets a automatic shot or a eliminator straight-up by the sanctioning bodies once he moves up to HW -- that I'm sure team Usyk must consider before doing business with Matchroom/DAZN -- I wouldn't sign with that weasel Eddie Hearns without Joshua on the contract.

He's already doing that this fight.

Did you mean to say something else??

[Citizen Koba]

I can't help it but I like Bellew. I never liked him but for some crazy reason I hope he wins.

Bellew's a good dude - kinda grows on you when you see his interviews and stuff - despite the fact that he sometimes acts like a nob at pressers and face offs. Thing is I like Usyk too and what he's done in terms of cleaning out the division whilst in his opponents back yards is pretty historic...

Don't who I'll be rooting for but I know who I expect to win, and by a margin - Tony's stamina will not last with the pace Usyk will set. I'm expecting a late stoppage of an exhausted Bellew on accumulated punishment

[Curt Henning]

this is a good fight for usyk...get some money and more exposure...I have 0 problems with it

just funny how people reacted when wards name was attached to bellew tho...much different

[Boxing Logic]

Never rated Bellew, and was worried he would be Ward's ticket to come back and make big money without challenging himself, but for Usyk, who just challenged himself a lot, a nice payday and more fame would be great. I generally like when fighters take a fight, even if it's easy, to gain more star power if they are the type to use their star power to get the best names in the ring with them, while I dislike when fighters take an easy fight to gain more star power to allow them to duck the best names and simply make money off the star power they picked up from someone else and then fight easy opponents.

Bellew-Ward would have been just like that imo. But with Usyk, the whole picture will be, challenge all the best cruiserweights, then take a fight against a popular fighter to increase star power and have a nice payday after the hard tournament, and then soon back to challenging himself, this time at heavyweight vs the rocket launchers. So, to have a fun event in the UK, given there are no top challenges left at cruiserweight and Usyk isn't ready to face the top heavyweights either, it basically is the best fans can hope for. Whereas with Ward, there are so many good fights he could make if he had the temperament of Usyk, that him fighting Bellew would be a big waste.

[Boxing Logic]

this is a good fight for usyk...get some money and more exposure...I have 0 problems with it

just funny how people reacted when wards name was attached to bellew tho...much different

Heheh. I just wrote my post and published it, and then yours showed up on my screen right above it, made me laugh because that's actually what I addressed in my post. I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that supposed double standard. Now I'm glad I wrote about it. Read my post, quote me (otherwise I wont get notified and I never go back to the threads unless Im notified), and tell me what you think.

[Hatesrats]

Looking forward to this fight, Bellew making some good coin on the way out.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Shame this won’t be at a soccer stadium in front of Bellew’s home fans, Usyk gets to clown and stop him in his own town, I guess I’ll just have to be happy it reaches a wide ppv audience in the U.K. lol.

[Boxing Logic]

So Mikey Garcia is a cherry picker?

He fought better oppo than the so called Lions, the well named Charlos, Deontay, Spence PERIOD

You guys hating on your own fighters.

The 2 Garcias are called cherry pickers, yet they arguably fought the better oppo out of every current american fighters, including Bud.

Bro, Mikey has not fought better opponents than Loma. Get out of here. I remember Mikey's start on HBO. It was one mismatch against smaller, usually past prime guys after another. For years. Finally, there were reports that Top Rank and HBO were building towards something with all those mismatches, Mikey vs Gamboa. What a fight that would have been. Instead, Mikey retires and now suddenly wants out of Top Rank and HBO. The whole time Top Rank and HBO were paying him millions for gimme fights, he was happy, but the moment a real fight came up, Mikey bailed. He must have realized, as good as he is, Gamboa was all wrong for him other than Gamboa being mistake prone. But, Gamboa showed a beard vs Crawford, so I don't think Mikey would have been bailed out by a KO. He might have knocked Gamboa down once or twice, but Gamboa would have won 9+ rounds and probably hurt Mikey too. Heck, Gamboa was too fast even for Crawford, it was only Crawford's huge size and reach advantage that bailed him out, and southpaw stance. Mikey didn't have any of those things over Gamboa, so you can imagine what would have happened.

Anyway, then Mikey sat out, and when he finally came back, it was against more easy opponents to "get rid of ring rust." Mikey never fought the best guy at 126 at the time, Gamboa, then he moved up and never fought the best guy at 130 or 135, either. He had a chance to fight Linares but declined. He's also made zero effort to fight Loma. Arum has said, just stay at 135 half a year more, and you can fight Loma next March or April on PPV, but Mikey wants to fight Spence instead. Mikey cares so little for the fans that ONCE AGAIN he won't give the fans the fight they want most.

I mean seriously, Mikey's been in the game, what, 7 years at least? The pro game I mean. And in 7 years, not once has he given you or me or any boxing fan the fights we wanted to see. The three fights we've wanted to see most in Mikey's career, Loma, Gamboa, and Linares, Mikey has failed to fight all three.

Anyway, his "best wins" are past prime Adrien Broner, Sergey Lipinets (who barely won his fight before Mikey), and Robert Easter (who already lost to Javier Fortuna and arguably two other boxers. Fortuna was knocked out by Jason Sosa at 130, and Loma stopped Sosa. Yet Fortuna was good enough to beat Easter at 135).

Loma, meanwhile, beat prime GRJ, who is better than past prime Broner, Lipinets, or Easter Jr. In fact if GRJ and Mikey were the same size, GRJ would be a nightmare for Mikey, maybe even more so than Loma would be. But, styles make fights so it doesn't mean everything, but I'm just saying. Loma beat Walters, who is at least on the level of Mikey's best wins. Loma beat Linares, who is a slightly more skilled version of Lipinets, except Loma beat a bigger man in Linares, while Mikey was actually bigger than Lipinets despite moving up in weight (confirmed by a boxer who was in camp with both Mikey and Lipinets). Loma beat Rigondeaux, the best Cuban boxer of the last decade. Mikey refused to fight Gamboa, the 2nd or 3rd best Cuban boxer of the last decade. Loma was willing to fight his, Mikey was not. Rigondeaux is better than everyone Mikey has faced. He was in many people's top 5 P4P when Loma beat him. Those idiots always ignore age but hey if they're going to give Wilder credit for beating old out of shape Ortiz, Jacobs and Canelo credit for beating old bulkier slower GGG, Floyd for beating old Pacquiao, and so on, then I'm going to give credit to Loma for beating Rigo who had never been drug tested year round, and still looked just as lean, muscular, and prime, physically, as he ever did. I still wonder if he wasn't the same anymore in the ring, but physically you can see he retained his prime physique much better than these other guys. He and Stevenson and Floyd all did that the best probably because they did not get drug tested 365 which may have allowed them to use PEDs into their late thirties in a consistent enough way to stave off the effects of age.

Oh, and Loma stopped Jason Sosa, who KO'd 130 pounder Fortuna, who beat Mikey Garcia's most hyped win, Robert Easter, at 135 which isn't even his weight class. That says it all. Loma's best wins are on the level of GRJ, Rigondeaux, and Linares, Mikey's best wins are on the level of Jason Sosa if Jason Sosa had to fight at his non-optical weight class, 135, instead of 130, as Fortuna had to against Robert Easter.

Don't get me wrong, Mikey has taken steps in the right direction since the Broner fight, but he's still NEVER fought the top guy at any weight class. If he fights Spence that would certainly qualify, although most argue Crawford is #1 but look, I won't pull that bull****, I'll give him credit for the tied #1 guy, but the problem is, that's ducking Loma. Once Mikey goes to 147, he cant get back down to 135, and cant fight Loma. If he really wanted to be great, he would fight Loma first, THEN move up, because that would allow him the chance to fight both Loma and Spence.

See, Mikey is tricking his fans, acting like the choice is, do I fight Spence, or do I fight Loma? In reality, the choice is, do I fight Loma AND Spence, or do I just fight Spence? And he is choosing to only fight Spence. He has a chance to fight Loma AND Spence, but is choosing to avoid fighting Loma. That's called ducking. The same scenario came up with Loma where he wanted to move up, but so many fans were saying he was ducking Rigondeaux that he made sure to stay down at 130 for one more fight to give the fans what they wanted. Mikey can easily do the same so if he chooses not to fight Loma while the two are in the same weight class, that's a duck. A real champ fights the best of his own weight class when possible before moving up. It's one thing if those guys duck you in your prime, like the middleweights ducked GGG, but then once you get old they want to fight you and claim you're ducking if you move up. That's bull****. But Mikey and Loma are both still in their prime right now, both around 30 years old, the perfect age for the fight to happen, so that's not a factor here.

It's really that simple. Mikey has avoided the best guys in his weight class before, and now it looks like he's about to do it again. Mikey and Loma both fight at 135 right now. Mikey even has a significant size advantage at that weight. If Mikey refuses to fight Loma before he moves up, there can be no excuses. And we better not hear Mikey fans or Loma haters saying Loma should move to 140 to fight Mikey after Mikey fights Spence since Mikey can no longer get down to 135. If you're an honest and fair fan you will keep that bull**** in check within your own fanbase, and tell them not to pull that bull****, because as you know, Loma is already tiny at 135, and Loma and Mikey are currently both in the same weight class. If Mikey refuses to fight Loma when both are in the same weight class at 135, then that's on him. You can't duck and run away, then say it's the opponent's fault for not running to your new location. it's like bro, you two were already in the same place, and he already tried to fight you when you two were in the same place, but you said no and went somewhere else. Now you expect him to go there, too, and try to fight you again, when even if he did, you would probably just go move somewhere else again and say, "he has to come here if he wants to fight."

They are both in the same place right now, 135. Loma wants the fight next, early 2019. Does Mikey?

[LacedUp]

'Swift' Jarrett Hurd is it?! I was thinking Hekkie Budler but he just vacated.

As I said, each state has its own commission ; don't try to veil your ignorance, we know you implied that foreign officials are not accepted in the U.S.A - FALSE.

No I did not, you just can't read. You said "oh and the judges and officials will be appointed by the BBBofC?"

And I'm simply asking which commission in the united states allow other commissions to choose the judges and refs in a bout sanctioned by them? Should be a simple answer for you since you had such a problem with the british board appointing officials for their bout?