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  • Pat bateman
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    #11
    Originally posted by Scopedog
    1. Lomachenko
    2. Usyk
    3. Crawford
    4. Mikey
    5. Golovkin

    BONUS: 6-10

    6. Inoue
    7. Sor Rungvisai
    8. Spence
    9. Alvarez
    10. Joshua
    Nice list bro

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    • Bjl12
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      #12
      Originally posted by Guy Fawkes
      I could ask the same questions about inoue and rungvisai i believe chocalatito was highly overrated. Mcdonnel too.
      I have a counter question bro if spence & golovkin dont deserve p4p status why are they in most lists?
      Most "lists" have agendas (i.e., The Ring or ESPN). They are trying to sell tickets.

      GGG and Canelo, AJ and Wilder, Spence and TC...

      All of these guys are Top 15-20 and you can make a case for them being 7-10. However they haven't fought anyone to indicate they are supreme fighters.

      Spence has 1 good win that was highly circumstantial against KB who was returning from surgery after taking 1st loss and 1st TKO after jumping 2 weight classes and dropping 2 weight classes....fight was 4-4 after 8 and then KB - predictably - gassed.

      Sorry the verdict isnt out on Spence

      Ggg has fought- literally - 5 current, former, or future champions across 40 professional fights in an era where there are 4+ champions per weight class. That is HORRIBLE.

      One could make an argument he lost to Danny Jacobs and Canelo. And he continues to take soft touches (Vanes over Andrade or Dervachenko????)

      Besides just because everyone says something doesn't make it true. Everyone believed the world was flat at one point...

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      • Shawnex
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        #13
        Originally posted by Bjl12
        So Usyk and Loma have worse resume than Spence Jr.?

        Are you high boy?

        AJ and Wilder P4P?

        Man...you "sure know boxing" XD XD XD
        Spence and Usyk have similar resumes, quality-wise. Spence has just looked more impressive, stops more of his opponents and he spreads more fear around him, I bet Thurman still has nightmares about Spence.

        As for Lomachenko, then yeah, he beat Walters and I respect that as a good win, especially so early in his career. But beating 1 good opponent (I don't count undersized Rigo) doesn't make up for the fact that he has only been in 12 fights and lost to journeyman Salido... Lomachenko can't be in my top 5 until he proves himself a bit more.
        Last edited by Shawnex; 08-09-2018, 03:02 AM.

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        • boxingnumber247
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          #14
          1 Jaime Munguia 30-0
          2 Saul Alvarez 49-1
          3 Wanheng Menayothin 50-0
          4 Oscar Valdez 24-0
          5 Mikey Garcia 39-0

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          • Shawnex
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            #15
            Originally posted by Bjl12

            Ggg has fought- literally - 5 current, former, or future champions across 40 professional fights in an era where there are 4+ champions per weight class. That is HORRIBLE.

            One could make an argument he lost to Danny Jacobs and Canelo. And he continues to take soft touches (Vanes over Andrade or Dervachenko????)

            Besides just because everyone says something doesn't make it true. Everyone believed the world was flat at one point...
            I agree. Personally, I had Canelo and Jacobs winning when they fought Golovkin, but fair enough if some people think otherwise...

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            • Pat bateman
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              #16
              Originally posted by Bjl12
              Most "lists" have agendas (i.e., The Ring or ESPN). They are trying to sell tickets.

              GGG and Canelo, AJ and Wilder, Spence and TC...

              All of these guys are Top 15-20 and you can make a case for them being 7-10. However they haven't fought anyone to indicate they are supreme fighters.

              Spence has 1 good win that was highly circumstantial against KB who was returning from surgery after taking 1st loss and 1st TKO after jumping 2 weight classes and dropping 2 weight classes....fight was 4-4 after 8 and then KB - predictably - gassed.

              Sorry the verdict isnt out on Spence

              Ggg has fought- literally - 5 current, former, or future champions across 40 professional fights in an era where there are 4+ champions per weight class. That is HORRIBLE.

              One could make an argument he lost to Danny Jacobs and Canelo. And he continues to take soft touches (Vanes over Andrade or Dervachenko????)

              Besides just because everyone says something doesn't make it true. Everyone believed the world was flat at one point...
              I agree for the most part but once the smoke clears and several match ups take place i believe spence will be top 5 especially when he beats garcia and Crawford.

              Golovkin won both of those fights but not by knockout which takes a little shine off both fights. I think he beats canelo in September barring any shambles with judging again.

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              • Pat bateman
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                #17
                Originally posted by boxingnumber247
                1 Jaime Munguia 30-0
                2 Saul Alvarez 49-1
                3 Wanheng Menayothin 50-0
                4 Oscar Valdez 24-0
                5 Mikey Garcia 39-0
                Bit confused to see mungia in there?

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Shawnex
                  1: Terrence Crawford.
                  2: Errol Spence.
                  3: Anthony Joshua.
                  4: Deontay Wilder.
                  5: Eleider Alvarez.

                  Don't you think it's a bit too early to add Usyk to a P4P top 5? He has yet to score any impressive wins. I can understand why Lomachenko would be in some people's P4P list, he did beat Walters after all. But Golovkin? He should be glad to even be in someone's top 10 with that flat resume.
                  Great list, though I'd put Wlder above AJ. No-one comes close to these 5 IMO.

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                  • Shawnex
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Shontae De'marc
                    Great list, though I'd put Wlder above AJ. No-one comes close to these 5 IMO.
                    Thanks bro. And yeah, one could put Wilder above Joshua. We won't know for sure until they fight, it's a true 50-50 situation.

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                    • Illmatic94
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Guy Fawkes
                      . Kov was past it i saw signs of slippage in the chilemba fight. 2 ward fights showed the decline further. Alvarez could have been anyone in there and would have got to kov. Right man in the right place.

                      Did you know kov had a 3 month training camp for the fight too about a month too long at his age this didn't help his stamina as he burned out to quickly.
                      Quitvalev fanboys have endless excuses for all his L's.. i like him and had him #1 at LHW without Ward around. there was no slippage he was beating Alvarez on all cards and just got KTFO. beaten by the better man with a great timed shot. it happens. no excuses.

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