Will we ever see a legendary run like what Pacquiao did from '06-'09 again?

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Here is Berto bringing up Manny vs Oscar when discussing Mikey Garcia and Spence. He said that most people thought that Manny was crazy moving up to fight Oscar. How people forget this point.

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"Between fights, Mikey gets pretty big and I know for sure some time ago he sparred with big guy. I know he helped [Marcos] Maidana get ready for a a few fights as well and I heard that he really, really held his own with Maidana. I don't think it's going to be too much of a crazy jump for him, but of course it's going to be a crazy challenge. But just like when [Manny] Pacquiao fought De La Hoya, we all thought he was outrageous for doing it. After he saw something, he came out victorious."

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Here is Berto bringing up Manny vs Oscar when discussing Mikey Garcia and Spence. He said that most people thought that Manny was crazy moving up to fight Oscar. How people forget this point.

Spence will not except a CW, and people today realize how bad they can be for the guy being drained.

And Mikey is not asking for a CW.

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How about from 2000-present? Are you new to boxing? What Pac did even in the late 90's up until the present is abosulutely astounding and the most impressive resume in modern boxing, who compares to him? And don't even bring up that cherry picking PED using ***** ass ***** Floyd haha, please, we have all established he ain't **** and won't be remembered as time goes by. Manny is the real deal and will be remembered with greats like Henry Armstrong, Archie Moore, SRR, Hagler, Duran, etc....Floyd is like 2-3 tiers below those legends. Pac is the real deal Holyfield, baby!! And I'm American, from Brooklyn, NY, so it's not like I have any bias at all. I just know the facts and I go by resumes. Floyds resume not nearly as impressive as Manny's and every knowledgeable unbiased boxing head knows this. Go head, bring on the Flow Moe hate from you angry, frustrated Floyd ball lickers lmao, I will be waiting gleefully to annihilate you in a debate. Bring it.

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How about from 2000-present? Are you new to boxing? What Pac did even in the late 90's up until the present is abosulutely astounding and the most impressive resume in modern boxing, who compares to him? And don't even bring up that cherry picking PED using ***** ass ***** Floyd haha, please, we have all established he ain't **** and won't be remembered as time goes by. Manny is the real deal and will be remembered with greats like Henry Armstrong, Archie Moore, SRR, Hagler, Duran, etc....Floyd is like 2-3 tiers below those legends. Pac is the real deal Holyfield, baby!! And I'm American, from Brooklyn, NY, so it's not like I have any bias at all. I just know the facts and I go by resumes. Floyds resume not nearly as impressive as Manny's and every knowledgeable unbiased boxing head knows this. Go head, bring on the Flow Moe hate from you angry, frustrated Floyd ball lickers lmao, I will be waiting gleefully to annihilate you in a debate. Bring it.

Bring what you fool lol, you cannot prop Manny and bag Floyd they are both great fighters the best of our generation.

One day you will grow up and lose the my Tonka Truck is better persona and then reality will be crystal clear.

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Spence will not except a CW, and people today realize how bad they can be for the guy being drained.

And Mikey is not asking for a CW.

With Oscar, you need to remember that he wanted to come in light so he would be "faster" and more mobile so that will somewhat negate some of the advantages that Manny had in that area. Well, it doesn't necessarily work like that and it backfired on Oscar.


Oscar was said to have been on weight or below a week out. His issue was with south paws and he was being tagged with certain southpaws during training camp. What they did was let go some of those who were giving Oscar problems during sparring sessions, so it would boost his confidence, so to speak …. but that ended up being their mistake. The best way to get better and be prepared is to confront it head on and plan.


While I'm not saying that weight was not an issue because it was but Oscar made a mistake on how he did that and as stated above, there was more than just weight issues. In fact, his team said that was the real issue. that is, Manny's speed and being a south paw....

Finally, Oscar had just fought at 150 previous to that and it was Oscar calling out the shots not Manny!!!

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With Oscar, you need to remember that he wanted to come in light so he would be "faster" and more mobile so that will somewhat negate some of the advantages that Manny had in that area. Well, it doesn't necessarily work like that and it backfired on Oscar.


Oscar was said to have been on weight or below a week out. His issue was with south paws and he was being tagged with certain southpaws during training camp. What they did was let go some of those who were giving Oscar problems during sparring sessions, so it would boost his confidence, so to speak …. but that ended up being their mistake. The best way to get better and be prepared is to confront it head on and plan.


While I'm not saying that weight was not an issue because it was but Oscar made a mistake on how he did that and as stated above, there was more than just weight issues. In fact, his team said that was the real issue. that is, Manny's speed and being a south paw....

Finally, Oscar had just fought at 150 previous to that and it was Oscar calling out the shots not Manny!!!

It doesn't matter who wanted the weight that is irrelevant when looking at the fight, the fact is Oscar was destroyed by weight draining, he was lighter than Manny on fight night and he looked every bit dead man walking, look at the difference when Oscar fought Floyd he was 20 lbs heavier than when he fought Manny, that's a huge difference.

Im not interested on who wanted the CW it doesn't matter, Im speaking about the result of the CW in the fight.

Look at Mikey Garcia now, Spence is bigger than Oscar and in his prime and Garcia is not mentioning anything about a CW which is very honorable.

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Oscar wasn't short he was dead man walking because of the CW, do you ever think of what 154 Oscar would do to Manny, in that fight Oscar would be 20lbs heavier than Manny not 2 pounds lighter do have any idea on what that would mean.

Wtf is wrong with you people.

Again revisionist history, pre fight major pundit AND boxing expert claimed this would be a walk in the park for ODLH and Manny is going to get KOed. Oh this wasn't a catch weight fight is was Manny's FIRST FIGHT at 147. Oscar had him come up, please if your going to try and change history line up your facts at least.

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Again revisionist history, pre fight major pundit AND boxing expert claimed this would be a walk in the park for ODLH and Manny is going to get KOed. Oh this wasn't a catch weight fight is was Manny's FIRST FIGHT at 147. Oscar had him come up, please if your going to try and change history line up your facts at least.

Who cares what anybody said , the FACT remains Oscar was totally ruined by weight draining, that's what happened, why do you guys excuse by saying oh it don't matter Oscar wanted it, that's not the point the point is he was fcked by weight draining.

Oscar wanted 150 and the fight couldn't be made Manny wanted 147. If Oscar has been fighting at MW and JMW for many years and the contract is made at 147 that is a CW for Oscar .

Are you saying if its within the WW scale say 146, that's a CW but 147 isn't. BS. Any weight that is CONTRACT enforced and not a fighters current division its a CW.

Don't preach facts when you don't know what they are.

The first option to be considered was Manny Pacquiao. Initially, the negotiations went poorly. De La Hoya wanted the contract weight to be 150 pounds; Pacquiao (who had weighed 129 for his junior-lightweight title defense against Juan Manuel Marquez earlier in the year) would go no higher than 147. Oscar wanted the bout to be contested with ten-ounce gloves; Manny preferred eight-ounces. And De La Hoya wanted as much money as he could get, while Pacquiao wanted as much money as he could get.

On August 13th, Schaefer and Bob Arum (Pacquiao’s promoter) confirmed that Oscar had given in on the issues of weight and gloves but that negotiations had broken down over the division of revenue. Team De La Hoya was seeking a 70-30 split in its favor. Team Pacquiao would go no further than 60-40.

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/de-la-hoya-pacquiao-and-the-business-of-boxing

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Who cares what anybody said , the FACT remains Oscar was totally ruined by weight draining, that's what happened, why do you guys excuse by saying oh it don't matter Oscar wanted it, that's not the point the point is he was fcked by weight draining.

Oscar wanted 150 and the fight couldn't be made Manny wanted 147. If Oscar has been fighting at MW and JMW for many years and the contract is made at 147 that is a CW for Oscar .

Are you saying if its within the WW scale say 146, that's a CW but 147 isn't. BS. Any weight that is CONTRACT enforced and not a fighters current division its a CW.

Don't preach facts when you don't know what they are.

The first option to be considered was Manny Pacquiao. Initially, the negotiations went poorly. De La Hoya wanted the contract weight to be 150 pounds; Pacquiao (who had weighed 129 for his junior-lightweight title defense against Juan Manuel Marquez earlier in the year) would go no higher than 147. Oscar wanted the bout to be contested with ten-ounce gloves; Manny preferred eight-ounces. And De La Hoya wanted as much money as he could get, while Pacquiao wanted as much money as he could get.

On August 13th, Schaefer and Bob Arum (Pacquiao’s promoter) confirmed that Oscar had given in on the issues of weight and gloves but that negotiations had broken down over the division of revenue. Team De La Hoya was seeking a 70-30 split in its favor. Team Pacquiao would go no further than 60-40.


http://www.secondsout.com/columns/th...ness-of-boxing

Again stop deflecting and JUST ADMIT that this was ODLH trying to cherry pick and it went horribly wrong...

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Nope people aren't as naive as before and will demand USADA or VADA.