Luis Ortiz vs Joe Joyce

**Kezzer** · 07-26-2018, 03:12 PM

Although Ortiz hasn't beaten anyone of note I think Joyce is massively overrated and certainly unproven. I can't see this fight happening at all, both fighters are risky and they will earn nothing in this fight.

**juggernaut666** · 07-26-2018, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Kezzer

Although Ortiz hasn't beaten anyone of note I think Joyce is massively overrated and certainly unproven. I can't see this fight happening at all, both fighters are risky and they will earn nothing in this fight.

Ortiz is a top ranked fighter defeating him puts anyone in top contender discussion .

**Madison Boxing** · 07-26-2018, 03:19 PM

Joyce beats him at this stage....

**boliodogs** · 07-26-2018, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by juggernaut666

Would Ortiz risk losing and not getting another title shot when far easier guys are out there .

These two are of only 4 top guys that can and do dominate an entire fight the others are Miller and Joshua .

This would be a war and i think Joyce may tire Ortiz out by mid rounds or get caught and lose .

I would probably take an improving Joyce vs a guy whos eventually not going to show up nearing 50 .

I do have Ortiz ranked at 3 but this will probably change with guys like Joyce on the rise .

AJ is number 1 and Wilder is number 2 but I don't see how Ortiz is number 3 fresh off a KO loss. He was number 5 before he fought Wilder. You don't go up in the rankings by getting knocked out. Parker, Whyte and Povetkin should all rank above Ortiz until Ortiz scores a big win. Ortiz should fight Joyce who I think is very overrated and very slow. I think Ortiz could hit him clean,hard and often and score an early KO.

**W1LL** · 07-26-2018, 03:44 PM

Joe Joyce would show Deontay Wilder how to do the job properly.

**juggernaut666** · 07-26-2018, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by boliodogs

AJ is number 1 and Wilder is number 2 but I don't see how Ortiz is number 3 fresh off a KO loss. He was number 5 before he fought Wilder. You don't go up in the rankings by getting knocked out. Parker, Whyte and Povetkin should all rank above Ortiz until Ortiz scores a big win. Ortiz should fight Joyce who I think is very overrated and very slow. I think Ortiz could hit him clean,hard and often and score an early KO.

No hes number 3 in my rankings bc i have him over Povetkin .

If everyone went notches down in rankings after losing to Joshua or Wilder no one would be ranked properly ! Ortiz nearly had the number 2 guy out .....you dont penalise him for that .

1. Joshua
2 . Wilder
3 . Ortiz
4. Povetkin
5 . ?????? ( This could be anyone in a head to head )

Im going to put the winner of Parker vs Whyte at 5 !

Im not sure where Povetkin goes when he loses to Joshua , it doesnt mean hes no longer relevant ....it doesnt work like that if you are actually ranking them H2H!

I know how dangerous Joyce is ....otherwise i wouldn't have made the thread , only certain guys will be able to actually compete with him and you'll see once again i know what im talking about .

After all these guys fight on saturday i can see whats what more . If Joyce had fought also i can tell you if he replaces anyone here .

**Mrsantiago** · 07-26-2018, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by boliodogs

AJ is number 1 and Wilder is number 2 but I don't see how Ortiz is number 3 fresh off a KO loss. He was number 5 before he fought Wilder. You don't go up in the rankings by getting knocked out. Parker, Whyte and Povetkin should all rank above Ortiz until Ortiz scores a big win. Ortiz should fight Joyce who I think is very overrated and very slow. I think Ortiz could hit him clean,hard and often and score an early KO.

Well Kovalev went up in the rankings after being KO�d lol.
Whyte should not be rsted higher than Ortiz now l can understand Povetkin because hes been doing his thing much longer. But whyte is trash people talk about wilders goofy sloppiness but whyte is even worse.

**Kezzer** · 07-26-2018, 04:34 PM

We will be able to comment better Saturday night about Whyte, for me I think Parker beats him. My current rankings are:

Joshua
Wilder
Povetkin
Parker
Ortiz
Whyte
Takam
Miller
Bellew
Breazeale

I couldn't include fury yet as he needs proper fights before I could consider him

**Sid-Knee** · 07-26-2018, 04:35 PM

Could you imagine Ortiz having to deal with that kind of pressure and stamina from Joyce?

Ortiz has 2 rounds in him at a good pace. After that he's completely done. I know Joyce is new on the scene but my money definitely goes on him for the mid round stoppage.

Luis Ortiz vs Joe Joyce