Do you belive that either Pacquiao and Marquez were both peds why or why not?

[boliodogs]

Your Bias is too Obvious.
Not mentioning Pac's jump from 112 to 147 lbs. ( Something that's Never been seen in the History of boxing )
Not mentioning Pac resistance to fight Mayweather when Floyd ask for them to be Tested .
Not mentioning Pac working with Ariza ( another Shady character )
Not mentioning the "Ariza Shakes " that Freddie Roach even confirmed .
We won't get into his head size , calf cramps or the NEW heart promblem because it's ALL Speculative .
But so is the stuff you mentioned about Marquez .

Your statement that Pac's jump from 112 to 147 has never been seen in boxing history is false. It has been seen many times. Mayweather was the same weight as Pacquiao at the same age and was fighting at 112 as an amateur. Some famous boxers of the past have started their career at 112 and ended up at 175. A boxer starting at 112 and ending up at 147 or more is not that rare or unusual. Besides Pac is more of a natural lightweight or 140 pounder than a full welterweight.

[Idunnoshet]

Your statement that Pac's jump from 112 to 147 has never been seen in boxing history is false. It has been seen many times. Mayweather was the same weight as Pacquiao at the same age and was fighting at 112 as an amateur. Some famous boxers of the past have started their career at 112 and ended up at 175. A boxer starting at 112 and ending up at 147 or more is not that rare or unusual. Besides Pac is more of a natural lightweight or 140 pounder than a full welterweight.

I meant to say he was the only 8 division Champ in boxing history .

[jmrf4435]

Marquez was undoubtedly, unequivocally, undeniably using PED's throughout his entire career.

Pacman I'm not sure

[Eddy Current]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were both on PEDs for their fourth fight, and Manny was on them for all four of their fights.

[TonyGe]

Marquez looked like he was on Peds in the last Pacquiao fight. Manny?? Don't know for sure but wouldn't be surprised.

[abracada]

If so should this take away from eithers legacy

Marquez gained crazy muscles and stamina as he got older!

[travestyny]

I don't really feel comfortable saying either of them used PED's without proof...


But I wouldn't be surprised if Pacquiao was abusing Toradol during some part of his career since his doctor got caught trying to shoot him up with it in the dressing room for what his own doctor admit was no injury.

[Gigantes]

I thought all of Manny's opponents were great matchmaking and walking punching bags? You mean to tell me he needed roids to beat those types of opponents?

Marquez hired a known steroid cheat. You don't hire a known steroid cheat just for the company. Would you hire a hooker just for their company?

[Elroy The Great]

i believe in test results.

[rao007]

I think both used some sort of variant of PEDs that was undetectable. But Marquez is without a doubt a former user. Victor Conte even submitted that the acne seen on Marquez was not normal or natural. Max Kellerman threw some shade and doubt how a 40 year old man could look faster and stronger as he aged and noting that before these remarks never was a true supporter of pacquiao. The signs were there that Marquez was on something people just need to be objective about it.