Comments Thread For: Lucas Matthysse Blasts Critics Who Claim He Quit With Pacquiao

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So you are saying VADA not USADA right?

USADA provides you with a chance to get ILLEGAL BANNED IVs ..... that is not good and certainly, not right!!!




Oh wait, USADA does that just for Floyd Mayweather! Never mind!



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And how about Dr. Elattrache in Pacquiao's dressing room pulling out a syringe and trying to shoot Pacquiao up with Toradol for what he admitted was no injury and for what 2 NSAC doctors saw as no injury, and for what Pacquiao admitted was no injury. How quickly they forget

Dr. Elattrache said Manny was injured ... and Manny was operated on.


Manny was NOT allowed to get the LEGAL shot. Floyd used ILLEGAL BANNED IV ...... How Floyd fans completely forget about!!!!

and USADA is telling everyone but Floyd that it is BS if you think that giving blood, let alone 10 days beforehand, affects you. IT DOES NOT!!!!

USADA

Will the volume of blood collected for testing affect my performance?

On average, the total volume of blood collected for testing is relatively small, less than two tablespoons (~15mL). This compares to the total volume of blood in a human of between roughly 200-400 tablespoons (3000-6000mL), depending on the individual’s size and ***. Trained and experienced phlebotomists are trained to make the sample collection process as quick and painless as possible.

The withdrawal of such a small amount of blood will not have any effect on athletic performance.

SO what Floyd/Ellerbe said was just pure


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Dr. Elattrache said Manny was injured ... and Manny was operated on.

You're outright lying. No he didn't. He said Manny was at FULL STRENGTH going into the fight.

Manny was NOT allowed to get the LEGAL shot. Floyd used ILLEGAL BANNED IV ...... How Floyd fans completely forget about!!!!

The shot was NOT legal, and that's why Dr. Elattrach was STOPPED from giving the shot. Floyd's IV was NOT illegal because a committee of independent doctors approved of it as per WADA rules. You're blatantly lying again.

and USADA is telling everyone but Floyd that it is BS if you think that giving blood, let alone 10 days beforehand, affects you. IT DOES NOT!!!!

What's your point?

SO what Floyd/Ellerbe said was just pure


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So it's BS that working out out causes dehydration? That's news to me....and everyone else except for you, apparently.

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You're outright lying. No he didn't. He said Manny was at FULL STRENGTH going into the fight.





The shot was NOT legal, and that's why Dr. Elattrach was STOPPED from giving the shot. Floyd's IV was NOT illegal because a committee of independent doctors approved of it as per WADA rules. You're blatantly lying again.




What's your point?





So it's BS that working out out causes dehydration? That's news to me....and everyone else except for you, apparently.

DEFLECTOR!!!!


QUESTION:
Did Floyd/Ellerbe say that giving blood and urine contributed to his dehydration? YES!

Did those quotes from USADA confirm that what Floyd said is BS, a LIE? YES!

For 5+ years, Floyd and his fans said, with the backup of USADA's statements, giving blood does NOT affect you.


Floyd/Ellerbe lied and NO, there was no crazy training at that point. Floyd admitted to that too (shakeout)! Sorry

Floyd drank like a fish. Video is proof.

Floyd's vitals .... all good!

Floyd's weight, stable!

Floyd did NOT go to no hospital. He received an IV then was laughing and saying that all is good and doesn't get drained like other fighters .... on video!!

Why did Floyd/Ellerbe BS? Why?








Manny was said to be injured and the drugs were mentioned to both USADA and NSAC. The mistake was that checkbox (unchecked).




Here is the statement. It was NOT totally healed and in the fight it was aggravated further. After that, Manny was operated on.

On Monday, Top Rank and Pacquiao put out a joint statement to clarify their position.

They said that after the injury Pacquiao saw a doctor and it was decided that "with short rest, treatments, and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather.
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Manny's advisors notified the United States Anti-Doping Agency of the shoulder injury and the treatments being proposed by the doctors during training and on fight night. USADA spoke to Manny's doctors twice, investigated, and confirmed in writing that the proposed treatments, if used, were completely allowed.

The medication approved for fight night was a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory [Toradol].

Manny continued to train and his shoulder improved, though not 100 percent.

This is boxing, injuries happen, and Manny is a warrior. Again, in consultation with his doctors, promoter and advisors, Manny decided to proceed with the fight anticipating that he could receive his pre-fight treatment.

That specific treatment had been approved by USADA in writing at least 5 days before the fight." Pacquiao and Arum also said they believed that because the medications he was taking were disclosed that he would be able to continue with the treatment on fight night.

"On his pre-fight medical form filled out earlier in the week, Manny's advisors listed the medications that Manny used in training and the medications that might be used on fight night," they said in the statement. "A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny's doctors began the process, the Nevada commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny's shoulder injury. This was disappointing to Team Pacquiao since they had disclosed the injury and treatment to USADA, USADA approved the treatments, and Manny had listed the medication on his pre-fight medical form.
"Also, USADA had provided a copy of its contract with the fighters to the commission. An hour before the fight, Manny's advisors asked the commission to reconsider and the director of USADA advised the commission that USADA had approved the fight-night treatment, but the commission denied the request. "

With the advice of his doctors, Manny still decided to proceed with the fight.

His shoulder wasn't perfect but it had improved in training camp. However, as Manny has said multiple times, he makes no excuses. Manny gave it his best."

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Pay attention, DEFLECTOR.

DEFLECTOR!!!!


QUESTION:
Did Floyd/Ellerbe say that giving blood and urine contributed to his dehydration? YES!

No. Floyd said it was from "working."

Or did Pacquiao say that he was afraid of needles?

Did those quotes from USADA confirm that what Floyd said is BS, a LIE? YES!

False. The quotation didn't say anything about giving blood contributing to dehydration. Which doesn't matter anyway because this is all desperation from you, as NO ONE thinks that giving blood was the major reason for his dehydration, and NO ONE suggested that it was the major reason.

For 5+ years, Floyd and his fans said, with the backup of USADA's statements, giving blood does NOT affect you.

Then why won't you answer Dosumpthin's question. Was Manny full of shlt with needing 24 days?

Floyd/Ellerbe lied and NO, there was no crazy training at that point. Floyd admitted to that too (shakeout)! Sorry

Floyd drank like a fish. Video is proof.

Floyd's vitals .... all good!

Floyd's weight, stable!

Floyd did NOT go to no hospital. He received an IV then was laughing and saying that all is good and doesn't get drained like other fighters .... on video!!

Why did Floyd/Ellerbe BS? Why?

You already got destroyed about this.

1. Of course he was drinking water. That's what you do when you are dehydrated.

2. When has Nevada ever stopped a fight due to dehydration, or had a fighter write "dehydrated" on their medical? But his vitals, doe When has a boxer ever failed a medical for dehydration???

3. He need not have been losing tons of weight. You already got the shlt kicked out of you about this.

Oh, that's right, you ran away from the other thread about heavyweights being dehydrated. Not a surprise, deflector.

Manny was said to be injured and the drugs were mentioned to both USADA and NSAC. The mistake was that checkbox (unchecked).

Nevada doctors found no evidence of any injury at all. Pacquiao himself said he was not injured going into the fight.

Here is the statement. It was NOT totally healed and in the fight it was aggravated further. After that, Manny was operated on.

AND HERE IS A STATEMENT FROM HIS DOCTOR!

“Manny was having shoulder pain during his training period. This was several weeks before the fight…it was essentially an aggravation of an old injury. This is pretty standard for fighters, and there is no such thing as pristine tissue in high level athletes. We treated the aggravation (with permission from U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) and he was back to his normal strength going into the fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...9#post18958079


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[travestyny]

LOOK AT ALL OF THE LIES!

Here is the statement. It was NOT totally healed and in the fight it was aggravated further. After that, Manny was operated on.

On Monday, Top Rank and Pacquiao put out a joint statement to clarify their position.

They said that after the injury Pacquiao saw a doctor and it was decided that "with short rest, treatments, and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather.


Manny's advisors notified the United States Anti-Doping Agency of the shoulder injury and the treatments being proposed by the doctors during training and on fight night. USADA spoke to Manny's doctors twice, investigated, and confirmed in writing that the proposed treatments, if used, were completely allowed.

The medication approved for fight night was a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory [Toradol].

Manny continued to train and his shoulder improved, though not 100 percent.

This is boxing, injuries happen, and Manny is a warrior. Again, in consultation with his doctors, promoter and advisors, Manny decided to proceed with the fight anticipating that he could receive his pre-fight treatment.

That specific treatment had been approved by USADA in writing at least 5 days before the fight." Pacquiao and Arum also said they believed that because the medications he was taking were disclosed that he would be able to continue with the treatment on fight night.

"On his pre-fight medical form filled out earlier in the week, Manny's advisors listed the medications that Manny used in training and the medications that might be used on fight night," they said in the statement. "A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny's doctors began the process, the Nevada commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny's shoulder injury. This was disappointing to Team Pacquiao since they had disclosed the injury and treatment to USADA, USADA approved the treatments, and Manny had listed the medication on his pre-fight medical form.
"Also, USADA had provided a copy of its contract with the fighters to the commission. An hour before the fight, Manny's advisors asked the commission to reconsider and the director of USADA advised the commission that USADA had approved the fight-night treatment, but the commission denied the request. "

With the advice of his doctors, Manny still decided to proceed with the fight.

His shoulder wasn't perfect but it had improved in training camp. However, as Manny has said multiple times, he makes no excuses. Manny gave it his best."

FULL OF LIES!!!


1.

They said that after the injury Pacquiao saw a doctor and it was decided that "with short rest, treatments, and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather.

That story wasn't always the same, was it????

Speaking with reporters at his Delano Hotel suite on Sunday, May 3, the day after his unanimous decision loss, the Filipino boxer said that he had sent his sparring partners home early after he suffered a tear in his right rotator cuff during a sparring session.

He said the doctor told him to rest his shoulder for 30-40 days.
https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sp...ssion-shoulder

LIESSSS.

2.

Manny's advisors notified the United States Anti-Doping Agency of the shoulder injury and the treatments being proposed by the doctors during training and on fight night. USADA spoke to Manny's doctors twice, investigated, and confirmed in writing that the proposed treatments, if used, were completely allowed.

This was not really the case, was it? Investigated????

"We had no medical information, no MRIs, no documents," said Travis Tygart, who heads the USADA. "It was not an anti-doping issue. The real question is why his camp checked 'no' on the disclosure. Either they made a terrible mistake to not follow the rules or they were trying not to give information to the other side. I'm not sure there's a middle ground."

Tygart said his agency, which was hired by promoters to oversee drug testing for the bout, was contacted April 7 asking about the use of various substances and whether they were allowed under anti-doping rules. He said there was another call 10 days later asking about using a different substance, again for what the USADA was told was an unspecified shoulder problem.

LIESSSS.

3.

Manny continued to train and his shoulder improved, though not 100 percent.

That story changed, didn't it?

Pacquiao said, “No, I don’t have pain or injury before the fight. I just want to make sure that whatever happened, I’m still there. I’m not saying I’m not 100 percent condition.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/boxing...ght-1.11350596

And from Arum:

They gave him a series of treatments that enabled the pain to go away and then when he went into the fight, he was feeling absolutely no pain and using his right arm.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/arum-p...ry?id=30833993

Liesssss.



This is not even to mention the other lies. Oh what the hell. Here are a few more.

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum insisted the commission knew five days earlier about the shoulder injury, which he compared to the rotator cuff tear that ended Kobe Bryant’s 2014-15 season. That prompted NAC chairman Francisco Aguilar to grab the microphone after the formal portion of the press conference and proclaim that the first they’d heard of it was 6:08 p.m. Saturday.

The principles couldn't get their stories straight, either. Arum also said Pacquiao aggravated the shoulder in the third round; Pacquiao said it was the fourth. Roach said the injury occurred 2½ weeks ago; Arum said it was a month.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...y03-story.html

Arum is on video saying they gave paperwork to NSAC. NSAC said...where they at, doe

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Pay attention, DEFLECTOR.




No. Floyd said it was from "working."

Or did Pacquiao say that he was afraid of needles?



False. The quotation didn't say anything about giving blood contributing to dehydration. Which doesn't matter anyway because this is all desperation from you, as NO ONE thinks that giving blood was the major reason for his dehydration, and NO ONE suggested that it was the major reason.





Then why won't you answer Dosumpthin's question. Was Manny full of shlt with needing 24 days?




You already got destroyed about this.

1. Of course he was drinking water. That's what you do when you are dehydrated.

2. When has Nevada ever stopped a fight due to dehydration, or had a fighter write "dehydrated" on their medical? But his vitals, doe When has a boxer ever failed a medical for dehydration???

3. He need not have been losing tons of weight. You already got the shlt kicked out of you about this.

Oh, that's right, you ran away from the other thread about heavyweights being dehydrated. Not a surprise, deflector.




Nevada doctors found no evidence of any injury at all. Pacquiao himself said he was not injured going into the fight.





AND HERE IS A STATEMENT FROM HIS DOCTOR!

“Manny was having shoulder pain during his training period. This was several weeks before the fight…it was essentially an aggravation of an old injury. This is pretty standard for fighters, and there is no such thing as pristine tissue in high level athletes. We treated the aggravation (with permission from U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) and he was back to his normal strength going into the fight.”

Oops

DEFLECTO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!


The question was did Floyd or Ellerbe state that? YES

Ellerbe? Floyd couldn't talk! Passed the question onto Ellerbe.

Floyd didn't disagree. Floyd agreed by saying "AND"

Floyd: and I'm older now ......

Question: Was giving blood and urine BS LIE? YES!!! Respond DEFLECTO!!!

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Manny had but 1 experience to go by and he felt it would be a disadvantage. As I keep on telling you, for me, it could have been with no cutoffs!

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Destroyed?

Dehydration means loss of fluid but his weight was relatively stable!!! It is science! Floyd lost but a few pounds and drank enough fluids to recuperate from his possible MILD DEHYDRATION

It is ILLEGAL to use BANNED Method for mild dehydration. USADA did NOT investigate!


NSAC: You do not get it. IF USADA would have investigated and requests to get the vitals and interviews the NSAC doctor.....
They didn't or else it would show ALL NORMAL!!!
Secondly, there was no documentation by the NSAC to state otherwise. If Floyd was in that bad of a condition, it would have showed up in the vitals or by the physician!

The heavyweight fighter had 2 issues. SEVERE DEHYDRATION and another illness.

Floyd had NEITHER!!!

Furthermore, Stiverne had just had a fight! Floyd was drinking fluids while Stiverne's team agreed that they didn't monitor that!!!!
Dr Ariza admits that they do monitor that!!!! LOL

Oh, Stiverne went to the hospital and couldn't leave until he recovered. Floyd did NOT go to the hospital and was giving interviews after his ILLEGAL BANNED IV to state that he is doing fine!!!!

TOTAL DESTRUCTION!!!

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Nevada doctors said they would have required more time to verify all this to determine the extent of Manny's injury (eg. MRIs). Makes sense to me and NSAC but not to Travestyny. YOU ARE INVENTING ALL OF THIS!!!


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I provided to you their official statement. Manny was injured and notified NSAC and USADA on the medication used. They stated that it was NOT totally healed. Manny fights and the problem is aggravated and later Manny is operated on.

Standard for this doctor to provide meds to his athletes so they can try to perform at "normal strength". Kobe was treated so he can play. Manny wanted to be treated but was not allowed! Ooops!

Manny was operated on!


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[travestyny]

DEFLECTO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!


The question was did Floyd or Ellerbe state that? YES

Floyd did not state that. Ellerby did. So your big proof is that Ellerby was inside Floyd's body knowing exactly how it functioned.

Do you know how delusional you sound? Seek help.

Ellerbe? Floyd couldn't talk! Passed the question onto Ellerbe.

Sounds like Pacquiao, except he is under strict orders by Arum to just keep his mouth shut.

Floyd didn't disagree. Floyd agreed by saying "AND"

Floyd: and I'm older now ......

Did Pacquiao state he isn't afraid of needles when everyone bashed him for that? Hmmm. I didn't see an answer.

Question: Was giving blood and urine BS LIE? YES!!! Respond DEFLECTO!!!

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Already answered this. Giving blood can contribute to dehydration obviously, but it would be a negligible affect.

So where is your answer. Were Pacquiao and Mayweather both telling the truth or both lying? You can't play it both ways, ******.

Manny had but 1 experience to go by and he felt it would be a disadvantage. As I keep on telling you, for me, it could have been with no cutoffs!

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WHATTTT. BULLSHlT. HE WAS OFFERED 14 DAYS. DO YOU THINK 14 DAYS WAS UNREASONABLE? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Destroyed?

Dehydration means loss of fluid but his weight was relatively stable!!! It is science! Floyd lost but a few pounds and drank enough fluids to recuperate from his possible MILD DEHYDRATION

Was Stiverne and Dos Santos dehydrated? Do you need me to give you the weights of Dos Santos again? You ran away from that thread.

It is ILLEGAL to use BANNED Method for mild dehydration. USADA did NOT investigate!

The TUEC would disagree with you. Give up.

NSAC: You do not get it. IF USADA would have investigated and requests to get the vitals and interviews the NSAC doctor.....
They didn't or else it would show ALL NORMAL!!!

Like it did for Stiverne whose doctors stated he could have died? Give up.

Secondly, there was no documentation by the NSAC to state otherwise. If Floyd was in that bad of a condition, it would have showed up in the vitals or by the physician!

Like it did for Stiverne and every other boxer that fought dehydrated? Chad Dawson? UFC guys? Any of these other guys.

Can you tell me when NSAC has declared a fighter to be dehydrated before a match? You keep ducking it.

The heavyweight fighter had 2 issues. SEVERE DEHYDRATION and another illness.

WHAT? No, dummy. The dehydration was brought on by the condition. Give up.

Floyd had NEITHER!!!

You have the medical records to prove it? Because he sure had the symptoms. That doesn't fit your agenda, doe.

Furthermore, Stiverne had just had a fight! Floyd was drinking fluids while Stiverne's team agreed that they didn't monitor that!!!!
Dr Ariza admits that they do monitor that!!!! LOL

Stiverne stated he didn't feel right before the fight and early on during. Dos Santos as well. Sorry. And Dos Santos weight was rock solid, like you always want to say.

Oh, Stiverne went to the hospital and couldn't leave until he recovered. Floyd did NOT go to the hospital and was giving interviews after his ILLEGAL BANNED IV to state that he is doing fine!!!!

TOTAL DESTRUCTION!!!

But Dos Santos didn't go to the hospital, did he? LMAOOO. TOTAL DESTRUCTION!!!!!

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Nevada doctors said they would have required more time to verify all this to determine the extent of Manny's injury (eg. MRIs). Makes sense to me and NSAC but not to Travestyny. YOU ARE INVENTING ALL OF THIS!!!

That's not what their doctors nor Manny's doctor said. But you didn't even mention his statement. Did he say Pacquaio was back to full strength. You are terrible at this. You don't fool me and you know that.

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I provided to you their official statement. Manny was injured and notified NSAC and USADA on the medication used. They stated that it was NOT totally healed. Manny fights and the problem is aggravated and later Manny is operated on.

Uh uh uhhhhhhh. I already gave you his doctors statement. I gave you HIS statement. I gave you Arum's statement. They all show the lies!

Standard for this doctor to provide meds to his athletes so they can try to perform at "normal strength". Kobe was treated so he can play. Manny wanted to be treated but was not allowed! Ooops!

Manny was operated on!


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LMAOOOOOO. Standard for a toradol shot when he was already at full strength. You must be a fool. Keep trying

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Manny is the one who called for this fight for a reason now let’s see him do the same vs guys that’s currently looking impressive like Josh Taylor, Spence, Crawford, porter, Thurman.


I thought Matthysse would do better so props there but you can’t deny Matthysse looked like crap in his last fight as every expert has stated

Manny is done at the "top" and has said as much himself, he's not looking for those fights.

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Floyd did not state that. Ellerby did. So your big proof is that Ellerby was inside Floyd's body knowing exactly how it functioned.

Do you know how delusional you sound? Seek help.




Sounds like Pacquiao, except he is under strict orders by Arum to just keep his mouth shut.



Did Pacquiao state he isn't afraid of needles when everyone bashed him for that? Hmmm. I didn't see an answer.





Already answered this. Giving blood can contribute to dehydration obviously, but it would be a negligible affect.

So where is your answer. Were Pacquiao and Mayweather both telling the truth or both lying? You can't play it both ways, ******.




WHATTTT. BULLSHlT. HE WAS OFFERED 14 DAYS. DO YOU THINK 14 DAYS WAS UNREASONABLE? ANSWER THE QUESTION.




Was Stiverne and Dos Santos dehydrated? Do you need me to give you the weights of Dos Santos again? You ran away from that thread.




The TUEC would disagree with you. Give up.



Like it did for Stiverne whose doctors stated he could have died? Give up.




Like it did for Stiverne and every other boxer that fought dehydrated? Chad Dawson? UFC guys? Any of these other guys.

Can you tell me when NSAC has declared a fighter to be dehydrated before a match? You keep ducking it.




WHAT? No, dummy. The dehydration was brought on by the condition. Give up.



You have the medical records to prove it? Because he sure had the symptoms. That doesn't fit your agenda, doe.




Stiverne stated he didn't feel right before the fight and early on during. Dos Santos as well. Sorry. And Dos Santos weight was rock solid, like you always want to say.




But Dos Santos didn't go to the hospital, did he? LMAOOO. TOTAL DESTRUCTION!!!!!



That's not what their doctors nor Manny's doctor said. But you didn't even mention his statement. Did he say Pacquaio was back to full strength. You are terrible at this. You don't fool me and you know that.




Uh uh uhhhhhhh. I already gave you his doctors statement. I gave you HIS statement. I gave you Arum's statement. They all show the lies!




LMAOOOOOO. Standard for a toradol shot when he was already at full strength. You must be a fool. Keep trying

DEFLECTO STRIKES AGAIN!!!

You couldn't give a straight answer AGAIN!!! Your response is "but Manny .... " WRONG ANSWER! I do not deflect. YOU DO!


Floyd and ELLERBE were in the same room.
Floyd got tongue tied and passed it to Ellerbe to respond for FLOYD!!!


So Ellerbe knows what's up or else why would Floyd ask Ellerbe to respond for him?

Secondly, when Ellerbe responded, Floyd did NOT disagree with Ellerbe and in fact said "AND" to imply that what Ellerbe stated was true and there was more to add to what Ellerbe stated.


Giving blood according to USADA has no affect on performance so definitely that means no IV required. Factor 10 days into the equation and it makes this more of BS coming from Floyd and company!


Floyd/ELLERBE had to LIE in order to get the ILLEGAL BANNED IV



As stated, Stiverne was severally dehydrated. That does not mean that he lost a couple of pounds, like Floyd!!!

Stiverne fought in a fight vs Floyd was drinking!!!!

I do not remember reading about Dos Santos. What was his problem? "IT WAS JUST DEHYDRATION" like Floyd or did he have another illness/ medical problem?


RETRO TUE:
Floyd sent the RETRO TUE to USADA.
TUEC can discuss with USADA.
USADA establishes their own TUEC. And can pick and chose one for Floyd!
USADA did NOT DO AN INVESTIGATION on Floyd!

The head of the WADA TUEC Committee states that "It smells bad". "Red Flags". Says if Floyd gets the IV then it would mean that Floyd does NOT fight!



NO DEFLECTO,
you keep on ducking the evidence!!!
NSAC doctors could have been interviewed after by USADA. Ask them. "You think Floyd could have died?"

- NSAC doctors would have laughed so hard!
Vitals all normal.
Weight was good!
Physical good.
No signs of dehydration or at most very mild case of dehydration!

Plus drank lots of fluids (146lbs + drinking) Sorry!

They had a ton of evidence!!!!

Stiverne got his diagnosis AFTER THE FIGHT at the hospital!!!

Floyd/Ellerbe told you "IT WAS JUST DEHYDRATION". No other illness!!! Sorry!

Stiverne had more than "JUST DEHYDRATION". He went and had to stay in the hospital for several days at least. Floyd? Floyd was at home being interviewed! LOL

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Going with what we know,
Manny should have just fought Floyd in 2010. I wanted to see the fight back then.

Good or bad, Manny had his reasons to not accept the negotiations.
1) Floyd and company called him a PEDs cheat. It may mean nothing for you but it didn't help the situation. Even Floyd's side didn't accept that (Golden Boy) when Zab Judah wanted "extra testing" with Mosley.
2) Manny's sole experience gave him concerns. The interview he had was BEFORE the Floyd negotiations.



As for the injury, it happened and the meds were reported. It was aggravated and operated on. All just a coincidence?

- Was it back to full strength but he was not at 100%? Quite possible since he aggravated the same shoulder in the fight!
- Was it back to full strength with the meds? Quite possible.
Did Manny's statement say that he was not 100%? Yes

This is NOT the first time that an athlete received shots before their games .... example: Kobe used meds.


Bottom line:
- Manny never received his shots. So no issue here but I had no problem with NSAC doing an investigation. They were in the process until they found out about Floyd!

- Floyd received his ILLEGAL BANNED IV with no advanced TUE.
Showtime's Epilogue stated that an athlete had to notify of any medical issues they had prior to the fight. NSAC was NOT notified.

USADA nor NSAC did an investigation!



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[travestyny]

DEFLECTO STRIKES AGAIN!!!

You couldn't give a straight answer AGAIN!!! Your response is "but Manny .... " WRONG ANSWER! I do not deflect. YOU DO!


Floyd and ELLERBE were in the same room.
Floyd got tongue tied and passed it to Ellerbe to respond for FLOYD!!!


So Ellerbe knows what's up or else why would Floyd ask Ellerbe to respond for him?

Secondly, when Ellerbe responded, Floyd did NOT disagree with Ellerbe and in fact said "AND" to imply that what Ellerbe stated was true and there was more to add to what Ellerbe stated.


Giving blood according to USADA has no affect on performance so definitely that means no IV required. Factor 10 days into the equation and it makes this more of BS coming from Floyd and company!


Floyd/ELLERBE had to LIE in order to get the ILLEGAL BANNED IV



As stated, Stiverne was severally dehydrated. That does not mean that he lost a couple of pounds, like Floyd!!!

Stiverne fought in a fight vs Floyd was drinking!!!!

I do not remember reading about Dos Santos. What was his problem? "IT WAS JUST DEHYDRATION" like Floyd or did he have another illness/ medical problem?


RETRO TUE:
Floyd sent the RETRO TUE to USADA.
TUEC can discuss with USADA.
USADA establishes their own TUEC. And can pick and chose one for Floyd!
USADA did NOT DO AN INVESTIGATION on Floyd!

The head of the WADA TUEC Committee states that "It smells bad". "Red Flags". Says if Floyd gets the IV then it would mean that Floyd does NOT fight!



NO DEFLECTO,
you keep on ducking the evidence!!!
NSAC doctors could have been interviewed after by USADA. Ask them. "You think Floyd could have died?"

- NSAC doctors would have laughed so hard!
Vitals all normal.
Weight was good!
Physical good.
No signs of dehydration or at most very mild case of dehydration!

Plus drank lots of fluids (146lbs + drinking) Sorry!

They had a ton of evidence!!!!

Stiverne got his diagnosis AFTER THE FIGHT at the hospital!!!

Floyd/Ellerbe told you "IT WAS JUST DEHYDRATION". No other illness!!! Sorry!

Stiverne had more than "JUST DEHYDRATION". He went and had to stay in the hospital for several days at least. Floyd? Floyd was at home being interviewed! LOL

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Going with what we know,
Manny should have just fought Floyd in 2010. I wanted to see the fight back then.

Good or bad, Manny had his reasons to not accept the negotiations.
1) Floyd and company called him a PEDs cheat. It may mean nothing for you but it didn't help the situation. Even Floyd's side didn't accept that (Golden Boy) when Zab Judah wanted "extra testing" with Mosley.
2) Manny's sole experience gave him concerns. The interview he had was BEFORE the Floyd negotiations.



As for the injury, it happened and the meds were reported. It was aggravated and operated on. All just a coincidence?

- Was it back to full strength but he was not at 100%? Quite possible since he aggravated the same shoulder in the fight!
- Was it back to full strength with the meds? Quite possible.
Did Manny's statement say that he was not 100%? Yes

This is NOT the first time that an athlete received shots before their games .... example: Kobe used meds.


Bottom line:
- Manny never received his shots. So no issue here but I had no problem with NSAC doing an investigation. They were in the process until they found out about Floyd!

- Floyd received his ILLEGAL BANNED IV with no advanced TUE.
Showtime's Epilogue stated that an athlete had to notify of any medical issues they had prior to the fight. NSAC was NOT notified.

USADA nor NSAC did an investigation!



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Dude, you have to stop with the essays. Seriously. And all of your deflection talk when I've already answered you specifically doesn't work.

Make it simple on yourself.

Part A.

1. How does an IV mask a urine test? By dilution.

2. Was Mayweather's urine test checked for dilution? Yep. It is a requirement that the DCO AND the independent lab check it for dilution.

3. Did he pass all 19 tests? Yep.

lol. That ends that one.

Part B

Do you think Pacquiao had a valid reason for needing a 24 day cut-off as opposed to a 14 day cut-off, in your opinion?


Keep your answers short, please. I have no desire to read essays from your deflecting ass anymore. Thanks.