future of boxing

[Scipio2009]

The fact that they are competitors who hypothetically would get their fighters/fights from the same producer would completely benefit the fighters. The dded edge of competition would cause each network to try to out due the other one.


With Showtime I don't see fox having to increase shoulder programing to out due them because they have a larger audience and theirfore the competition is already rigged in their favor. the fans and the fighters would be stuck with a worse product because fox only needs to do the bare minimum

I think we're talking past each other at this point.

Showtime/CBS is the premium offering; no different than with the UFC's PPVs, Showtime/CBS is where fights are monetized (from top to bottom you've got SHOPPV -> CBS -> Showtime Championship Boxing/SHO International -> Special editions of ShoBox -> ShoBox).

FOX/FS1, with the way things have turned out, is the platform for the general public; every other week, the curious fan can time into FS1 and watch 4-5 mostly competitive fights (60% of the fights feature prospect vs prospect, aged vet vs rising prospect, rebuild fight for prospects regaining momentum, check fights to see what aging fighters have left, etc). To that, you add the "here's a young fighter just starting that you should check out" and "storyline" fights (ie Deontay Wilder is on commentary, Luis Ortiz has his tickover fight, Ortiz handles his business, and you get "the confrontation" to set up a later fight on premium TV), and you've got the platform for the public set.

And, for the folks who don't have FS1, you also have at least 4 shows on FOX; not featuring the absolute best fights, but featuring known fighters in good fights and prospects on the cusp of heading to the premium platform.

Folks romanticize the past, but folks weren't tuning in and getting top fighter vs top fight for free, hardly ever; you got introduced to fighters with lesser fights, and then had to pay (be it buying a ticket, getting closed circuit, or otherwise) for the major fights.

As long as the fights are competitive, the general public can build without needing the big names every time out.

[lanker rom]

I think we're talking past each other at this point.

Showtime/CBS is the premium offering; no different than with the UFC's PPVs, Showtime/CBS is where fights are monetized (from top to bottom you've got SHOPPV -> CBS -> Showtime Championship Boxing/SHO International -> Special editions of ShoBox -> ShoBox).

So your saying showtime would be the equivalent of UFC ppv or basically where pbc would put its best fights?

[Scipio2009]

So your saying showtime would be the equivalent of UFC ppv or basically where pbc would put its best fights?

Exactly; instead of $50 a month for the good stuff, you'll pay $12 a month plus maybe 2-3 nights where you'd have to pay $65.

Peter Quillin vs J'Leon Love is a pretty darn good fight for FOX, tbh; Quillin has a name that's recognized, Love isn't as broadly known but he has shown he can fight, the fight is a competitive fight, and the winner moves on to a big fight at 168lbs (with the loser still being viable for a TV fight depending on how the fight goes).

Ortiz vs Alexander was also a good fight for FOX (two name fighters, in a competitive fight); Ortiz vs Rios also fits into that mold (with the added benefit of being a grudge match in it's own right).

Heck, Keith Thurman vs TBA would've worked great for FOX if Showtime passed on the fight for being too easy (big name fighter); Thurman vs Lopez is a competitive enough fight, so Showtime is looking to pick it up.

Expectations need to be clear.

[lanker rom]

Exactly; instead of $50 a month for the good stuff, you'll pay $12 a month plus maybe 2-3 nights where you'd have to pay $65.

Peter Quillin vs J'Leon Love is a pretty darn good fight for FOX, tbh; Quillin has a name that's recognized, Love isn't as broadly known but he has shown he can fight, the fight is a competitive fight, and the winner moves on to a big fight at 168lbs (with the loser still being viable for a TV fight depending on how the fight goes).

Ortiz vs Alexander was also a good fight for FOX (two name fighters, in a competitive fight); Ortiz vs Rios also fits into that mold (with the added benefit of being a grudge match in it's own right).

Heck, Keith Thurman vs TBA would've worked great for FOX if Showtime passed on the fight for being too easy (big name fighter); Thurman vs Lopez is a competitive enough fight, so Showtime is looking to pick it up.

Expectations need to be clear.

I see what your saying and that actually makes perfect since. but I think fox would eventually have an issue with fighters they develop on fs1 and fox moving to showtime and not staying on their network.


As for espn my vision was that all fights would be put on major competing networks that would legitimize the sport and fighters. showtime would only be used for ppv and occasional fights on cbs. If they were willing to put up enough money like espn and fox. Hypothetically

[Scipio2009]

I see what your saying and that actually makes perfect since. but I think fox would eventually have an issue with fighters they develop on fs1 and fox moving to showtime and not staying on their network.


As for espn my vision was that all fights would be put on major competing networks that would legitimize the sport and fighters. showtime would only be used for ppv and occasional fights on cbs. If they were willing to put up enough money like espn and fox. Hypothetically

FOX's aim is different than I think you think it is; Fox Sports needs content to make FS1 a channel that folks feel that they need to have if they're sports fans.

Pay up for the talking heads, get the rights to Bundesliga and the World Cup, have the PAC-12/Big 12 rights for college football, and as many other live events as they could get, and FS1 became a channel that you had to check for sports, along with ESPN and the local RSN (compared to CBS Sports, which has some content, but not enough to make it regular destination TV).

The price for UFC's content drastically went up, but Fox Sports still passed on the deal (even knowing that they need the content).

PBC helps get Fox Sports a good amount of quality content to fill FS1, at a price that Fox Sports feels is worth the money. I don't think that they'd be all that hung up on stars staying on FOX/FS1, because I don't see them being willing to put up the money for that.

[sicko]

Haymon holds the cards to some of the BIGGEST FIGHTS IN BOXING. He really don't have to do nothing but keep working with Showtime sit back and wait for somebody to come calling with a great offer. They will remain Loyal to Showtime and why shouldn't they Showtime Streaming Service is already up and running and is doing GREAT and is way head of ESPN+ and DAZN. HBO, ESPN+, DAZN they ALL NEED Fighters from Haymon Stable but PRIDE won't allow them to make that call

Fighters Loyalty to Haymon speaks VOLUMES, not what jealous Boxing Reports and Fans on Forums say about a guy whom they never heard even speak

HBO went the Eastern European Route and respect to the Awesome Eastern European Fighters but this is America not Eastern European so in doing so no question it has taken a massive hit and has falling behind Showtime and ESPN in terms of Quality and Consistency. HBO Boxing gets ratings by Default because it is HBO and it have a lot of Subscribers and most of them are NOT subscribed for "Boxing"

EGO's need to be put aside and EVERYBODY needs to work together. Go back to the days when Networks would just bid on Quality Matches and work with which ever Promoter is putting together quality fights.

[lanker rom]

FOX's aim is different than I think you think it is; Fox Sports needs content to make FS1 a channel that folks feel that they need to have if they're sports fans.

Pay up for the talking heads, get the rights to Bundesliga and the World Cup, have the PAC-12/Big 12 rights for college football, and as many other live events as they could get, and FS1 became a channel that you had to check for sports, along with ESPN and the local RSN (compared to CBS Sports, which has some content, but not enough to make it regular destination TV).

The price for UFC's content drastically went up, but Fox Sports still passed on the deal (even knowing that they need the content).

PBC helps get Fox Sports a good amount of quality content to fill FS1, at a price that Fox Sports feels is worth the money. I don't think that they'd be all that hung up on stars staying on FOX/FS1, because I don't see them being willing to put up the money for that.

Well just have to wait until fox and pbc deal is finalized. I hope fox isn't just filling up space though.

Everyones speaking about dazn but Eleven sports (which is headed by marc Watson haymons UK guy has just picked up the rights to the UFC)