Time for Freddy to retire.

[Scary]

He has been proven, not so good. A monkey would've brought Pacquiao to the top of the sport, with that talent.

Freddy has been on the slide for a long time and even now, it seems like tactics are out the window.

[Larry the boss]

What are we basing this on?

[Ray Corso]

Who are to say what another man who you don't even know must do?
Who have you trained?
Where is your gym?
What are your credentials in the sport?

Don't bother answering I already know, you know NOTHING!


Ray

[SlySlickSmooth]

I think Freddie and Manny are riding this one out together at this point, not much discussion to be had here.

[WesternChamp]

What are we basing this on?

umm lets see his 20+ years in training? his health?

you were not shy about telling pac to hang it up and you're here asking base on what for freddie?

[Larry the boss]

umm lets see his 20+ years in training? his health?

you were not shy about telling pac to hang it up and you're here asking base on what for freddie?

Seems like this thread is acting like he didnt teach Manny anything

[WesternChamp]

Seems like this thread is acting like he didnt teach Manny anything

what??? according to floyd sr, the joke coach aint did shiiet with pac? lol!!!

on a serious note, roach did help manny out. imo, roach tried to turn pac into a more counter puncher so roach can brag and say that's a product of his work. aside from that, pac was already pac when he met up with roach.

[WesternChamp]

Seems like this thread is acting like he didnt teach Manny anything

well, didnt you guys complain for years that roach couldnt even teach pac to avoid the right hand??? didnt yall said roach didnt even teach pac to cut off the ring??

[Larry the boss]

well, didnt you guys complain for years that roach couldnt even teach pac to avoid the right hand??? didnt yall said roach didnt even teach pac to cut off the ring??

Both remain true

[King Arthur]

Who are to say what another man who you don't even know must do?
Who have you trained?
Where is your gym?
What are your credentials in the sport?

Don't bother answering I already know, you know NOTHING!


Ray

What the toerag op forgets is that some of what pac was doing in the ring was learned under roach and muscle memory would have remained regardless of roach not being there one camp out of tonnes they've shared previously.