a lot of you guys seem to forget boxing is a combat sport

[HarvardBlue]

Even in combat you have missiles that shoot down other missiles.

Or should they just let them strike because it is combat?

[ruedboy]

It's interesting that posters who favor defensive fighting always act like the only alternative is an unskilled brawl. It's too bad they've missed all the skilled offensive boxing by elite fighters who were out to dominate their equally skilled opponent.

[sicko]

Easier said than done when you're not the one getting HIT...

Dare you and any of you Boxing Forum Tough Guys to go to your local boxing gym and try that Tough Guy "Mexican Style" Face First Brawling BULL****! After a few BLAST to your ***ing face I guarantee you natural reflexes will take over and you will MOVE!

[S7V7N]

yeah people want to act clever and sophisticated. as far as im concerned youve got to land good hard punches to win. the whole 'he made him miss doe' crew are idiots.

actually "boxing" was first started out as a way to settle differences between 2 person. then it got mainstream and fighters started adding their own twist to it "hit and not get hit", "the sweet science", etc. BUT boxing was suppose to be a way to settle things between 2 person.

No boxing is a chess match you want to see balbarians bashing each other’s skulls to the death watch ufc

From a fighters perspective the goal is to hit the other guy without getting hit yourself, its a dangerous sport where people can be killed or suffer terrible disabilities latter in life.

Boxing is science and a battle of skill and will power the ring is a small place with nowhere to hide you either have the skills to avoid being hit or you dont , it has rules its not the Gladiators with swords.

What is being argued over is the EVOLUTION of the sport & how some current fighters work the rules to their favor. You're either a fan of old school boxing (one guy left standing, that's how you know who won) or prefer a fighter "outlasting" his opponent in a scheduled time frame where the winner is determined by a panel of so called experts.

The rules were changed to protect the fighters, it now hinders a come forward aggressor while benefits the avoider or pot-shotter.

It's no longer a match that's played on an even playing field; giving significant advantages to a particular style if one is skilled enough to avoid the actual intent the sport was created for. You know the part where; which fighter can defeat the other? Yes, defense if definitely a part of boxing but it still requires offense to win. You still must hit your opponent to defeat them. Outlasting your opponent is just prolonging the fight while avoiding combat, so unless your opponent quits or runs out of steam there is no way that you have actually dominated your opponent, only made it to the finish line in perhaps better condition. This is not the intent of boxing, simply a modern mutation of the rules that is in no shape or form in the spirit of Pugilism.

[Reloaded]

It's interesting that posters who favor defensive fighting always act like the only alternative is an unskilled brawl. It's too bad they've missed all the skilled offensive boxing by elite fighters who were out to dominate their equally skilled opponent.

I don't think its favoring defense more over its acknowledging that's defense is just as much a part off boxing as offense is, you cant have one without the other, people will make one aspect their main style and there is nothing wrong with that we are all different and its scientific fighting under certain rules.

I enjoy any fighter or style where the guy is good at what he does.

[TonyGe]

If two guys complete a round and one is throwing wildly and the other evading every thing nobody lands in this round , who wins the round are you going to reward the guy that continually trys but fails or the guy that continually makes the other guy fail, one takes skills the other wasted effort.

Boxing scores ring generalship, because to stop the other guy from landing on you and controlling what he can do and cant do is a form of beating the other guy.

In boxing defense must be rewarded along side landing because you cant have one without the other both takes skills.

The guy who tries and fails because he's trying. The defensive fighter isn't usng his defense to hit and not be hit. If all fighters adopted the pure defense strategy nobody would land punches and boxing would be finished as a sport. I understand what your saying defense is an important part of boxing but its not the primary point of the sport. The primary point if the sport is landing punches. In your scenario the pure defensive fighter is ineffective at the primary focus of boxing.

[Reloaded]

The guy who tries and fails because he's trying. The defensive fighter isn't usng his defense to hit and not be hit. If all fighters adopted the pure defense strategy nobody would land punches and boxing would be finished as a sport. I understand what your saying defense is an important part of boxing but its not the primary point of the sport. The primary point if the sport is landing punches. In your scenario the pure defensive fighter is ineffective at the primary focus of boxing.

But nobody adopts pure defense they still have to out land the other guy and make him miss and pay and pay with punches, nobody wins with pure defense you guys are crying over whats not even real

Winners in boxing cant win by just running, you guys don't see that because youre too busy hating on the fighter you don't like, so you don't see the good they do on the offensive and how their defense sets up counters and strategy.

What you guys don't get is it aint all or nothing, every fighter has both defense and offense in his make up, its a part of the sports dynamic of trying to hit the other guy as much as you can and trying to force him to hit you the least, every guy has both traits real fans should be able to appreciate all the real top class guys no matter what their style, fans don't have to like a style but fans should be able to appreciate when a guy is real good at it.

winners are grinners !

[TonyGe]

But nobody adopts pure defense they still have to out land the other guy and make him miss and pay and pay with punches, nobody wins with pure defense you guys are crying over whats not even real

Winners in boxing cant win by just running, you guys don't see that because youre too busy hating on the fighter you don't like, so you don't see the good they do on the offensive and how their defense sets up counters and strategy.

What you guys don't get is it aint all or nothing, every fighter has both defense and offense in his make up, its a part of the sports dynamic of trying to hit the other guy as much as you can and trying to force him to hit you the least, every guy has both traits real fans should be able to appreciate all the real top class guys no matter what their style, fans don't have to like a style but fans should be able to appreciate when a guy is real good at it.

winners are grinners !

I was responding to the scenario you posted two guys, no one landing punches. Of course defense is important if it sets up a hit but not get hit battle. The thing is points are scored by landing punches and by who is in command of the fight.

[Reloaded]

boxing used to be a combat sport but for now, running around the ring to avoid getting hit and call it defense then throw 8 to 10 potshots per round seems to be the norm now.

this style of boxing is now called sweet science by certain fanboys and if that's the true definition of the so-called sweet science, then **** it i'd rather watch curling for more excitement.

Youre in a fantasy world writing your own story, what you describe is your inner negative feelings its not real, fighters like this are not the norm and neither do they win the top shelf matches, its only when you wear the hate hat do you see what you describe.

[Rip Chudd]

Easier said than done when you're not the one getting HIT...

Dare you and any of you Boxing Forum Tough Guys to go to your local boxing gym and try that Tough Guy "Mexican Style" Face First Brawling BULL****! After a few BLAST to your ***ing face I guarantee you natural reflexes will take over and you will MOVE!

This^^^^^^^^^^^

You can tell dudes that have never stepped foot in a gym or even been in a fight for that matter before. I'd love to see the thread starter go into a gym to spar and see if he takes a back step or moves after being punched in the face several times.