Comments Thread For: Lennox Lewis: Wilder Deserves 60-40 Split for Joshua Fight

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Wilder may be more popular in the states than Joshua is, but it still doesn't get people buying tickets to his fights.

He sells more tickets than any other American fighter. So out of the thousands of American fighters, why are you focused on the best ticket seller and claiming he can't sell tickets?

Hearn wanted to fight Jarrell Miller in the US. How many tickets is he selling?

You don't know what Wilder is paid either, so stop trying to make out what you're saying has any value because it doesn't.

You're right, I don't and I haven't claimed to know. I've said you can double the filed purse of most of Haymon's biggest stars and it'll be much closer to the real number than the filed number is. But I'm not claiming to know the exact number. On the other hand, all you UK fans are insisting you know exactly what he gets paid, even though you have no idea. The filed purses are bogus.

GGG made half of What Wilder did because HBO didn't put much money up for a late replacement.

Because HBO boxing is broke and if you don't fight on PPV, you're making very little. Yet GGG, who without Canelo would be fighting for very little, was still given 45% because Canelo + GGG = massive PPV even if GGG + someone else = not much.

If A-sides don't have good B-sides, they don't stay A-sides for long. They have to keep their fans interested. Whatever Wilder normally makes, he'll keep making that without AJ. But for a big cash cow A-side, if they don't make sure to sprinkle in some mega fights, they start to cool off. AJ's only other massive fight is with Fury and Fury sure as hell won't be taking a flat fee.

Hundreds and thousands of American are going to buy the PPV? You've got nothing to back this up with. It's only a hope that it does. But as trends have gone when fighting on Showtime or HBO then being on PPV the numbers have dropped quite significantly. Look at Ward, Golovkin and Crawford for examples.

The people who have produced the most successful PPVs in history disagree with you and agree with me. That's what I've got to back me up. SHO being so confident, they they agreed to cover AJ's 50 million. So, whose opinion should matter more here. You, the random uneducated inexperienced troll on a message board? Or the people who have put on the biggest PPVs ever?

If you really believe Wilder deserves to make about 30 mill in one fight, you're crazy. He hasn't earned that kind of money. Why should Wilder get so many times his biggest payday but Joshua only gets to make 2x his biggest payday? That isn't fair in any way.

Has nothing to do with deserve. This is show business. Nobody deserves anything. This is an inessential part of humanity.

In the example I laid out, Joshua would get 3x his biggest payday while Wilder would get 6x his biggest payday. This is very typical for A-sides and B-sides in a massive fight. No different than Canelo & GGG, Mayweather vs Pacquiao or countless other major megafights. The B-side almost always makes way more compared to their previous high than the A-side does.

It takes two to tango. It takes two to make a megafight. Nobody takes a flat fee in a fight that big. Hearn never ever ever expected Wilder to say yes. It was a bluff to stall the fight. When Wilder said yes, Hearn had to scramble for a new excuse.

30% max is all Wilder is worth.

Parker got 33%. Wilder's country is much more lucrative than Parker's. Wilder's belt is much more lucrative than Parker's. Wilder is a lot more popular than Parker. AJ vs Wilder is a much much bigger fight than AJ vs. Parker. Wilder is worth more than 33%.

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Fury represents a low-point in recent heavyweight title history. Thats how he will be remembered by generations to come. A mentally ill flash-in-the-pan who had a cup of tea with the title. A more athletic version of Primo Carnera, with a fraction of the power, half the intelligence, and twice the mouth. Dont mistake his obnoxious (and sometimes unpleasant) behaviour for charisma.

Please don't be under any impression that I like the **** stick because I don't. But he does deserve credit for the win. No doubt.

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Lmao! Seriously??.Did you say if Wilder demands more money they should just ignore him? I don’t care if Wilder gets 10% or 90% I just want to see the fight! I DON'T GET A *****ING DIME From the split EITHER WAY..

Secondly, you say Wilder should fight bums.. in your opinion, which current heavyweights do you think are not bums?

Third, to say what another man deserves or not deserve isnt very g,.. because AJ isnt shadow boxing.. I.think 50/50 is fair when its two men fighting.. this is for undisputed.. both champions, undefeated KO artists. Wilder is bringing the American market.. AJ is bringing the u.k market.. its a big fight.. I just want to see it!

You don't care who gets the most money but you think it should be a 50/50 split? Yeah, you're smart.

I didn't say Wilder should fight bums, I said he should go away and fight the usual bums he likes to fight.


The split is determined by who brings in the money and who doesn't. Joshua does, Wilder doesn't. Being undefeated and having a title doesn't even come into it. Wilder doesn't deserve anywhere near to half. If he continues to price himself out, we won't be getting a fight. So you should be putting pressure on Wilder to accept his worth.

If the American market had anything going for it, Wilder would be earning more than he is. A lot more. But he isn't, so who cares about the American market?

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He just subtly insulted Wilder, no cool head, a crab he thinks of Wilder

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He sells more tickets than any other American fighter. So out of the thousands of American fighters, why are you focused on the best ticket seller and claiming he can't sell tickets?

Hearn wanted to fight Jarrell Miller in the US. How many tickets is he selling?




You're right, I don't and I haven't claimed to know. I've said you can double the filed purse of most of Haymon's biggest stars and it'll be much closer to the real number than the filed number is. But I'm not claiming to know the exact number. On the other hand, all you UK fans are insisting you know exactly what he gets paid, even though you have no idea. The filed purses are bogus.




Because HBO boxing is broke and if you don't fight on PPV, you're making very little. Yet GGG, who without Canelo would be fighting for very little, was still given 45% because Canelo + GGG = massive PPV even if GGG + someone else = not much.

If A-sides don't have good B-sides, they don't stay A-sides for long. They have to keep their fans interested. Whatever Wilder normally makes, he'll keep making that without AJ. But for a big cash cow A-side, if they don't make sure to sprinkle in some mega fights, they start to cool off. AJ's only other massive fight is with Fury and Fury sure as hell won't be taking a flat fee.




The people who have produced the most successful PPVs in history disagree with you and agree with me. That's what I've got to back me up. SHO being so confident, they they agreed to cover AJ's 50 million. So, whose opinion should matter more here. You, the random uneducated inexperienced troll on a message board? Or the people who have put on the biggest PPVs ever?




Has nothing to do with deserve. This is show business. Nobody deserves anything. This is an inessential part of humanity.

In the example I laid out, Joshua would get 3x his biggest payday while Wilder would get 6x his biggest payday. This is very typical for A-sides and B-sides in a massive fight. No different than Canelo & GGG, Mayweather vs Pacquiao or countless other major megafights. The B-side almost always makes way more compared to their previous high than the A-side does.

It takes two to tango. It takes two to make a megafight. Nobody takes a flat fee in a fight that big. Hearn never ever ever expected Wilder to say yes. It was a bluff to stall the fight. When Wilder said yes, Hearn had to scramble for a new excuse.




Parker got 33%. Wilder's country is much more lucrative than Parker's. Wilder's belt is much more lucrative than Parker's. Wilder is a lot more popular than Parker. AJ vs Wilder is a much much bigger fight than AJ vs. Parker. Wilder is worth more than 33%.

Who cares if Wilder sells more tickets than other American fighters? He still can't sell tickets. Would the biggest boxing star in Australia deserve a big cut based on him being the one who sells the most tickets? No. It doesn't even come into it. It's worthless.

Miller isn't asking for half the money though is he? Big difference.

You don't know how much Wilder gets but we should double it up to get the true figure? How about we don't. How about we acknowledge what he actually gets and not look to try and make Deontay's purses any better than they are, because it's nothing but pie in the sky. You don't know, so stop pretending you do.

GGG was given 30% the first time round, and 42.5% in the rematch. Get your facts straight. He's more accomplished than Wilder so deserved to get a decent cut of the money. Wilder doesn't because he brings nothing to the table but a title.

What are you talking about? Joshua will continue to be the A side until he pretty much retires. No one else is bringing in big money.

I'll believe the facts and the patterns to how people are going to act when it comes to PPV. It's all there if you want to see it. If you don't, that's fine. But don't give me a load of bull****.

It has nothing to de with being deserving? Yes, it does. If one brings in practically all the money and the other brings basically nothing, then the one bringing in the money gets the vast majority of it. So yeah, Joshua is deserving. Wilder is not.

When has a weak B side earned more than 15 mill? It isn't typical in the slightest. If it was, you would be able to give me more than a few examples. But you're giving me nothing. And stop putting Pac and Golovkin on the same level, you're just embarrassing yourself. They most certainly are not weak B sides the way Wilder is. Wilder is more your Berto, Maidana and Ortiz.

Parker earned about 6 million, so Wilder is getting the much bigger payday. Plus, Joshua has 3 titles now so is in a much stronger position than before so doesn't have to overpay everybody like he has in the past. If Wilder doesn't like it, he can go kick rocks. And so can you.

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Who cares if Wilder sells more tickets than other American fighters? He still can't sell tickets. Would the biggest boxing star in Australia deserve a big cut based on him being the one who sells the most tickets?

What about New Zealand? Parker got 33%. Wilder sells more tickets at much higher prices. How many fighters are selling more than 14,000 tickets at high prices? How many heavyweights are doing that other than AJ and Wilder?

You don't know how much Wilder gets but we should double it up to get the true figure? How about we don't. How about we acknowledge what he actually gets

You don't know what he actually gets. I'm telling you that if you double it, you'll be much closer to the true figure if you don't double it. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. But all these Haymon fighters have laughed in Hearn's face because the DAZN offers were less than they were already getting. Even though the DAZN offers were much more than their filed purses.

The head of Showtime laughed as well, saying they already get paid more.

Filed purses are meaningless. Unless you really believe Cotto only got 700k for his retirement fight?

Wilder doesn't because he brings nothing to the table but a title.

Then why are you so obsessed with the fight? If Wilder means so little, why is half of the first page always about this fight? Why aren't there 50 threads about Povetkin if people care so little about Wilder?

Joshua will continue to be the A side until he pretty much retires. No one else is bringing in big money.

I'm explaining to you why B-sides get more in megafights than the numbers suggest they should. Because part of maintaining the commercial viability of a major A-side is making sure they have enough huge fights. You can't have huge fights without strong B-sides.

Parker earned about 6 million

Which means AJ only got 12 million. So why did Hearn offer Deontay 15 million? You're not making any sense.

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You don't care who gets the most money but you think it should be a 50/50 split? Yeah, you're smart.

I didn't say Wilder should fight bums, I said he should go away and fight the usual bums he likes to fight.


The split is determined by who brings in the money and who doesn't. Joshua does, Wilder doesn't. Being undefeated and having a title doesn't even come into it. Wilder doesn't deserve anywhere near to half. If he continues to price himself out, we won't be getting a fight. So you should be putting pressure on Wilder to accept his worth.

If the American market had anything going for it, Wilder would be earning more than he is. A lot more. But he isn't, so who cares about the American market?

50% is fair! Two men in the ring.. Wilder outsells AJ on showtime.. Wilder is bringing half the attention to the fight. An AJ makes 100 million with Wilder.. 5 to 6 times more than all AJ'S previous fights.. and more than he can make facing any other heavyweight! An its because of what Wilder brings to the table.. u sound ignorant as ***** arguing about anothers mans money.. which is money you will never see.. smh

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What about New Zealand? Parker got 33%. Wilder sells more tickets at much higher prices. How many fighters are selling more than 14,000 tickets at high prices? How many heavyweights are doing that other than AJ and Wilder?




You don't know what he actually gets. I'm telling you that if you double it, you'll be much closer to the true figure if you don't double it. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. But all these Haymon fighters have laughed in Hearn's face because the DAZN offers were less than they were already getting. Even though the DAZN offers were much more than their filed purses.

The head of Showtime laughed as well, saying they already get paid more.

Filed purses are meaningless. Unless you really believe Cotto only got 700k for his retirement fight?




Then why are you so obsessed with the fight? If Wilder means so little, why is half of the first page always about this fight? Why aren't there 50 threads about Povetkin if people care so little about Wilder?




I'm explaining to you why B-sides get more in megafights than the numbers suggest they should. Because part of maintaining the commercial viability of a major A-side is making sure they have enough huge fights. You can't have huge fights without strong B-sides.




Which means AJ only got 12 million. So why did Hearn offer Deontay 15 million? You're not making any sense.

Actually, Hearn said Parker didn't get a percentage. But even if he did, Joshua doesn't need to keep giving fighters big percentages. If they want to fight for the titles and make their biggest payday, it's there. If they want to hold Joshua to ransom, they should be told to go and take a walk. Nobody should expect Joshua to put all these ridiculous terms in the contract just to get them in the ring.

If Wilder was paid more, then why didn't he say the 4 million Hearn offered him for Whyte was less than he already gets?

I'm not obsessed with the Wilder fight, i'm just responding to a load of nutters who think Wilder should have his ridiculous demands met.

Wilder isn't a strong B side, so stop trying to convince yourself. The money he makes and the interest he creates isn't worth pissing on.

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50% is fair! Two men in the ring.. Wilder outsells AJ on showtime.. Wilder is bringing half the attention to the fight. An AJ makes 100 million with Wilder.. 5 to 6 times more than all AJ'S previous fights.. and more than he can make facing any other heavyweight! An its because of what Wilder brings to the table.. u sound ignorant as ***** arguing about anothers mans money.. which is money you will never see.. smh

You really are deluded as **** aren't you?

And no, the fight doesn't make 100 million in the UK. Not even the Wlad fight made that, and he's a much bigger star than Wilder could ever dare to be.

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Actually, Hearn said Parker didn't get a percentage.

HEARN IS A ****ING LIAR YOU ****ING IDIOT.

"Hearn said" isn't proof of anything and should automatically disqualify you from being allowed to post on this site.

Every promoter involved in the negotiation, including Hearn, Arum and Higgins said it was a percentage. Only later did Hearn change his story to try to justify giving Wilder a flat fee and UK ******s like you actually bought it.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11141662/anthony-joshua-relishes-unification-fight-with-joseph-parker-as-deal-edges-closer-says-eddie-hearn

Hearn told Sky Sports News: "We are single digits, percentages away right now"


https://www.******.com/525551-anthon...-for-march-31/

ESPN reported Thursday that Eddie Hearn, who promotes Joshua, and Duco Events, which handles Parker, finally agreed to the financial split. Duco Events’ David Higgins told ESPN that Parker will earn between 30-35 percent to Joshua’s 65-70 percent of the pie.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11956865

Joshua's promoter, Eddie Hearn, has proposed a 70-30 split with Parker, whose team is countering for 65-35.

"It seems to me with a little tugging and so forth, they can do 2/3 and 1/3 and that's what I think is going to happen," Arum said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-if-parker-beats-joshua-he-makes-fortune-rematch--123877

The two sides, after weeks of negotiations, finally reached an agreement on the revenue split a few days ago.

At the moment, the revenue split has Parker receiving between 30 to 35%, and Joshua getting 65 to 70% of the financial pot.


http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ving-way-fight

"The fight has never been closer. We're a lot closer now to a deal because we've had a major breakthrough, which is that the two camps have formally agreed on the split," Higgins told ESPN in a phone interview from his home country of New Zealand. "The Joshua side made a small concession, and the Parker side has made a small concession."

Initially, Parker's side demanded 40 percent, with Hearn offering a fraction of that figure. Although Higgins declined to give the precise percentage split the sides agreed to, he said it was between roughly two thirds of the pie for the Joshua side and a third for the Parker side.

"It's between 30 and 35-ish percent for the Parker side," Higgins said. "I'll leave it at that for now, but it's somewhere close to the middle of that. Maybe after Eddie and I talk about it, we will make the figure public."