Eddie Hearn's Big Dilemma

[Randall Cunning]

It's not so much they don't want it, but they don't want to be the first ones to commit to a unproven commodity. If that makes any sense. They want to see the product tested and then see if they want to fight on that platform or not. This is why Hearn had the absolute worst initial strategy. He just thought he could throw money at any of the Haymon guys and they would sign right then and there. Now, a guy like Andrade very well may sign as well as Beterbiev, but the top guns are going to be in the wait and see mindset.

Yeah, I agree with you, in terms of him building a stable. Think its critical he lands Mikey Garcia, he needs that name, to get the ball rolling, others will follow if they see it works.

He'll still be able to buy fights that smaller promoters, with no network allegiancies, have put together to bolster the cards. Like you mention, Beterbiev, have GYM fights on his cards, same thing with Bivols Russian promoters. Not signing with Matchroom but featuring. DAZN aren't going to care how he does it all they want to see is subscriptions.

[KTFOKING]

Yeah, I agree with you, in terms of him building a stable. Think its critical he lands Mikey Garcia, he needs that name, to get the ball rolling, others will follow if they see it works.

He'll still be able to buy fights that smaller promoters, with no network allegiancies, have put together to bolster the cards. Like you mention, Beterbiev, have GYM fights on his cards, same thing with Bivols Russian promoters. Not signing with Matchroom but featuring. DAZN aren't going to care how he does it all they want to see is subscriptions.

Yep, that's why for Hearn it is essential he gets Joshua/Wilder on DAZN so the subscribers will increase. But it makes little sense for Wilder to accommodate to that as he makes more money off SHO PPV. That is unless Hearn is ready to pay him a whole a lot more than the $15 million flat fee.

And truth be told, Mikey Garcia is a great talent but he's not a HUGE name himself. His ratings were actually below Spence's that had the fight end in the first round. If the Spence fight goes on longer, his viewing numbers would have been even better. But yeah, he needs a guy like Mikey Garcia to at least show others that DAZN could work.

[Randall Cunning]

Yep, that's why for Hearn it is essential he gets Joshua/Wilder on DAZN so the subscribers will increase. But it makes little sense for Wilder to accommodate to that as he makes more money off SHO PPV. That is unless Hearn is ready to pay him a whole a lot more than the $15 million flat fee.

I don't know how that would really work though. Fights that are legit PPVs, do DAZN make more money available to secure the fight? You could burn through the whole years available cash on the fighters purses, but it would be huge for subscriptions.

I'd imagine its all done on calculating viewing figures and subs at the time, "Hearn's not doing to well, but Bellators doing real good, move some cash over to Bellator, take Hearns down", LOL.

[KTFOKING]

I don't know how that would really work though. Fights that are legit PPVs, do DAZN make more money available to secure the fight? You could burn through the whole years available cash on the fighters purses, but it would be huge for subscriptions.

I'd imagine its all done on calculating viewing figures and subs at the time, "Hearn's not doing to well, but Bellators doing real good, move some cash over to Bellator, take Hearns down", LOL.

Well no, Hearn admitted that true PPV fights can't be on DAZN as they wouldn't be able to pay as much for them. But in this case, majority of the money will be made from the live gate and UK PPV since that's where the fight will take place at. However, if the fight could do 300k buys in the afternoon in the states, then I don't see how DAZN could match that. They could load up on this card and spend less on some others if they really wanted to. And since he hasn't signed guys like Broner who he would have to pay 2.5 million per fight, maybe DAZN could pull it off. Just for Wilder's sake it doesn't make sense to put it on DAZN.

[filup79]

Hearn could destroy the ESPN cards with the money he has, most of them are cheap tickovers for Arums fighters, 20-25% fights of any relevance. Though its starting to look like Hearn's got a billion dollars and nothing to spend it on.

Crazy when you think about it. Hearn "I've got a billion to spend on US boxing". American boxers "We don't want it"

The funny thing is if the Jacobs/Derv fight really goes to purse bid, Arum and Top Rank are interested in bidding on it and putting it on ESPN. Arum has already had some fights put on ESPN+ with fighters not promoted by them. Khan fight was on ESPN+ and recently the Berchelt fight.

[filup79]

Well no, Hearn admitted that true PPV fights can't be on DAZN as they wouldn't be able to pay as much for them. But in this case, majority of the money will be made from the live gate and UK PPV since that's where the fight will take place at. However, if the fight could do 300k buys in the afternoon in the states, then I don't see how DAZN could match that. They could load up on this card and spend less on some others if they really wanted to. And since he hasn't signed guys like Broner who he would have to pay 2.5 million per fight, maybe DAZN could pull it off. Just for Wilder's sake it doesn't make sense to put it on DAZN.

There will never be a PPV fight between two top fighters on DAZN in the US. They might have the rights to show them in other countries but not the US. Showtime, HBO and ESPN will never want to lose out on US PPV revenue.

[Randall Cunning]

The funny thing is if the Jacobs/Derv fight really goes to purse bid, Arum and Top Rank are interested in bidding on it and putting it on ESPN. Arum has already had some fights put on ESPN+ with fighters not promoted by them. Khan fight was on ESPN+ and recently the Berchelt fight.

I don't think Jacobs/Derevyanchenko goes to purse bids, Hearn has said hes still committed to supplying 3 cards a year to HBO.

He hasn't had any competition for those fights you mention, HBO's pretty much given up on boxing, DAZN will be after those fights now. Obviously Matchroom fights will no longer be on ESPN. though think Arum has some kind of deal with Warren for each others content.

[KTFOKING]

There will never be a PPV fight between two top fighters on DAZN in the US. They might have the rights to show them in other countries but not the US. Showtime, HBO and ESPN will never want to lose out on US PPV revenue.

That's not what I said at all. I'm saying Wilder/Joshua could be on DAZN for the simple fact the majority of the revenue will be made from UK PPV and live gate. If the fight took place in the States, then of course it couldn't be on DAZN.

[KTFOKING]

The funny thing is if the Jacobs/Derv fight really goes to purse bid, Arum and Top Rank are interested in bidding on it and putting it on ESPN. Arum has already had some fights put on ESPN+ with fighters not promoted by them. Khan fight was on ESPN+ and recently the Berchelt fight.

Jacobs still has at least one more fight left on his HBO deal so even if TR won the purse bid, the fight wouldn't take place there. I wonder what would happen though? Would Jacobs have to vacate his spot for the vacant title?

[Randall Cunning]

Jacobs still has at least one more fight left on his HBO deal so even if TR won the purse bid, the fight wouldn't take place there. I wonder what would happen though? Would Jacobs have to vacate his spot for the vacant title?

Don't they both have the same manager? Doubt he lets a fight go to purse bids that sees one of his fighters stripped.