Unbiased opinions needed. Did canelo ingest clen by mis-steak?

[King Arthur]

I'm still on the fence to be honest. I'm a big fan of both fighters. I appreciate both of there qualities & abilities as fighters.

However the fact remains one fighter has tested positive one hasn't. I've read all the information regarding the clen incident and I can't honestly say it makes sense that trace amounts could mean that canelo has without a doubt been cheating.

Some people say he was at the end of a cycle and got caught with earlier testing asked for by abel sanchez. But Im not sure purely because canelo and team would have been aware of potential earlier testing surely? And with the money he's made surely he'd be able to cover up any trace amounts if there intentionally?

[Rubber Ducky]

Honestly impossible to know for sure. Maybe it was ingested accidentally but even if it was it's a fighters responsibility to ensure they know what goes into their body, ignorance isn't a defence.

What this incident also high lighted was how rigged the system is for certain fighters. The 6 month suspension was a joke and literally did nothing. In other countries he would of received at least a year, fact is US boxing treats doping as an inconvenience rather than an issue that needs to be dealt with professionally.

Also the WBC clearly will move heaven and earth for Canelo. Sulaiman basically proclaimed his innocence with no evidence whatsoever, when has any sanctioning body done that. Then they strangely left him off the list of boxers that were not enrolled in VADA.

How Canelo dealt with the whole situation was poor. Not being enrolled for as long as he was after failing the tests was su****ious to say the least. Not something you would want to do. Even someone as clueless as Ortiz knew he had to sign up immediately to VADA for a year after failing his first test, you'd think someone with Canelo with experienced management and resources would of dealt with his PR in a more competent way.

[JohnCastellanos]

IMO I believe that if a fighter is on something and still passing Drug tests on a regular basis it must be undetectable. In Canelos case he was in the off season and on vacation not even training yet! He could have used clenbuterol as a dieting agent so he could eat whatever he wanted and not gain any weight! But to suggest he was trying to gain some kind of performance advantage taking clenbuterol in the off season is just dosnt make sense!

[Sun_Tzu]

Who knows but he will have it hanging over his head from now on.

[NearHypnos]

IMO I believe that if a fighter is on something and still passing Drug tests on a regular basis it must be undetectable. In Canelos case he was in the off season and on vacation not even training yet! He could have used clenbuterol as a dieting agent so he could eat whatever he wanted and not gain any weight! But to suggest he was trying to gain some kind of performance advantage taking clenbuterol in the off season is just dosnt make sense!

This is kind of my line of thinking. It wouldn’t make sense. If he was caught DURING camp it’d be a lot different in my eyes. I mean if we’re being honest, unless you’re 24/7-365 testing, you can do all the drugs and PEDd you want so long as you don’t have a test.

If he had done it purposely, he’d have waited another week or whatever it took to get clean to sign the contract. GGG was always going to wait. They could have stalled a week, two, whatever it took and just worked off a verbal and pulled whatever excuse for a short time “Canelo wants the fight but has some family matters to take care of. He’ll be available in a week or two.”

He’s too high profile in not just the sport but overall as an athlete. Guys at these heights don’t get busted like that...and probably not for clen.

[JohnCastellanos]

Yes sir! Its the only thing that makes sense! I mean why the heck would someone like Canelo be taking clenbuterol when he could be taking the best undetectable steroids that money can buy? And if Canelo is on that at 28 years old why wouldn’t ggg be on it at 36 years old too???

[NearHypnos]

Yes sir! Its the only thing that makes sense! I mean why the heck would someone like Canelo be taking clenbuterol when he could be taking the best undetectable steroids that money can buy? And if Canelo is on that at 28 years old why wouldn’t ggg be on it at 36 years old too???

I mean I wouldn’t go that far especially with the “if he does it GGG def does” type of thing.

I just dont think anyone with that kind of pull would get busted coming into a fight when they werent testing in the “off season” so to speak. No reason to worry about detection or ubdetectable drugs, etc because he could just get clean before signing the contract and starting random testing.

He’s the cash cow and GGG would wait. Full camps at those levels are brutal, I doubt he was incognito training before a camp. Not just that but he didnt have huge issues taking the power and ended the fight well and was clearly doing well closing out the fight. There’s nothing he’d need from clen before a camp.

It was likely just forgetting that hed been eating like a fat f uck before testing was an issue and wasnt worried about if meat was potentially contaminated because at the time of eating it, it didnt matter. Coulda been after signing also and just never thought of it because it wasnt ever an issue.

If he’s using, it’s likely great a hit during camp that is beating tests or in the off season. Likewise for all the other guys in the sport.

[JohnCastellanos]

Yuup we’ll reportedly he was out with Carlos slim and bill Clinton eating street tacos and tortas! The bad thing is they should have released all this info to the public but his lawyers publicly advised him not to say anything! And that includes the info about the follicle tests! Remember no one knew about it till vada announced he had passsed!!
Then all these people like PP and counterpunch boxing who begged for a follicle test moved the goal posts on us and said the follicle test means nothing!

[paulf]

Personally I just feel that its irrelevant if he knowingly took it or not.

He failed the test, one way or another. At the very least he was careless (he's rich af and he's trainers are butchers) and the very worst he's a drug cheat.

There's no way we'll every be able to be certain one way or another, but what we can be certain about is that he failed his test. Twice.

As long as he does OSTD for the rest of his career I'm not going to point fingers and call him a cheater.

[Derranged]

"Unbiased opinions" yea good luck with that on this site.

That said I'm not sure whether or not it was a mistake. We'll never know anyway...