Who's a Bigger Threat to Floyd?

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  • DLT
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    #21
    Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
    Vargas and Shane looked 'good' because they were fighting each other.

    Margarito is still fresh and vital. He also has fought well at 154 vs a top 5 guy there. His stamina is better than Vargas or Shane's, plus his punches from odd angles could help him.

    Tony is the biggest threat.
    I completely disagree. I felt the same as you about Shane & Vargas but the genuinely both looked good in this fight. They also havent lost to anyone except the best.

    Stop overrating Margarito. How the hell is Santos a top 5 guy? He would get his ass kicked by Winky, Oscar, Shane, Vargas, Karmazin, and so many more guys there. He just lost to a nobody

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      #22
      Originally posted by deliveryman
      Vargas at 154 would be an animal for Floyd to tame.

      Vargas is stronger than Margarito
      Vargas is a better boxer than Margarito
      Vargas is faster than Margarito.

      I think Shane would just try to outbox Floyd, which would be a disaster... for Shane.

      Vargas of those 3 fighers, I think, would give Floyd the most problems.
      No way Shane would try to outbox Floyd. Alot of people think Shane use to be a boxer but they are wrong. He has never been one. Everyone loved him because his style was different. Like Manny Steward said, he was never a boxer, he was more of a guy who threw alot of flurries.

      Thats what he would try to do to Floyd. He doesnt flurry like he use to but he looked much better at them against Vargas and he would try to exploit his strength and power advantage on Floyd.

      I think Floyd's all around game is too much for him but we'll see

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        #23
        Originally posted by BadMagick
        Mosley or Vargas are probably more dangerous than Margarito, simply because Floyd would have to move up again to fight them. We've never seen him at 154, and he's slowing at 147, so how much more would his speed last. Yes, he has amazing defense, but he also relies a lot on his speed for his offense. I don't know how much more weight Floyd can handle...

        I'd like to see him fight Margarito the most, though. Mostly just so people shut the hell up about Floyd dodging.
        I still think that Floyd is much faster at 147 then alot of people give him credit for. I just rewatch the Zab fight and I still cant understand why people are saying that Floyd has slowed alot at the weight.

        The differnce is that he has fought at a slower pace so far at 147 because of who his opponents were. If he fought Gatti then he would be fighting at a much faster pace but against Zab & Mitchell, he wanted to walk slowly walk them both down and keep the pressure on them. They also underrate his power at the weight. He still stopped Mitchell and never loaded up on one single punch against Zab because he knew he wouldnt have landed that much on him because he's a quick Southpaw and it would be dangerous because he's a soutpaw with alot of power.

        It all reminds me of Floyd at 140 against Bruselses. Everyone was talking about how slow he looked in that fight and how much he had slowed at the weight but then he fought Gatti and looked like a speedster because instead of slowly walking Gatti down, instead he moved in and out with quick burst. I bet anything that the same happeneds if he fights Margarito. No one will be saying that he looks much slower at 147 and they also will be surprised by his power. He will fight Margarito much different then the way he fought Zab. He will fight Margarito more like Gatti

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        • xzworks
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          #24
          valuev at 200+

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          • The Troll
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            #25
            Of those you have listed, Margaritus. Vargas and Mosely are past it. At 147 Castillo, at 154 Wright, at 140 Cotto, Hatton, Collazo.

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            • King Koyle
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              #26
              -Shane Mosley
              -Fernando Vargas
              -Antonio Margarito

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              • Mishra100
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                #27
                Vargas has lost against all A level boxers (Mosley, Oscar, Trinidad, Wright)... Why does anyone think he can beat Floyd?

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                • Super_Lightweight
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by DLT
                  I completely disagree. I felt the same as you about Shane & Vargas but the genuinely both looked good in this fight. They also havent lost to anyone except the best.

                  Stop overrating Margarito. How the hell is Santos a top 5 guy? He would get his ass kicked by Winky, Oscar, Shane, Vargas, Karmazin, and so many more guys there. He just lost to a nobody
                  No one is overrating Margarito. If that is your response every time someone praises Tony a bit, you need some new material. Santos would not get his ass kicked by Shane, sorry. No. Not Vargas either. These guys are past it, and if you cannot see it then I'm sorry. Winky fights at 160, so he wouldn't fight Santos anyway. Vargas would be at 160 as well if not for his bouts with Shane. And no, Santos did not just lose to a 'nobody'. You have nothing to back that up whatsoever. The guy that beat Santos is undefeated and got a close decision over Santos in Germany.

                  In any case, you are missing the point entirely. Styles make fights. Margarito is the man to give Floyd the most problems. Vargas would be too weight-drained at 154 to deal with Floyd's speed, just as he was not very capable of dealing with Shane's speed. Shane is too hesitant and can get away with that vs Vargas. Not vs Floyd.

                  Tony is still fresh and confident.

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                  • ROSEWOOD
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                    #29
                    My vote is Sugar...

                    Marg-not ready for primetime, too slow with alright power.UD via PBF

                    Vargas-too slow, too slow & too slow..UD/maybe KO via PBF

                    Sugar-quick, faster with excellent power...has a good opportunity to beaten PBF pending he can land good shot...SD/maybe UD via PBF

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                    • Super_Lightweight
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                      #30
                      Sugar's power us no more of a threat to Floyd than Tony's is. Tony has very good power at 147. Shane does not have the workrate anymore to offset Floyd's boxing skills. The only chance Shane has is landing a quick straight shot on Floyd, which is possible for sure...but...

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