Comments Thread For: Joshua Says Wilder Must Be "Realistic" in Unification Deal

[Oshio]

Just goes to show the distance between both fighters... Who would Wilder fight next after Joshua?

[hitking]

Why should Wilder get anymore than GGG? Lol this is funny. GGG doesn't deserve 45 or 40% but yeah Wilder does! C'mon!

Wilder deserves more than GGG because Wilder is offering to finance the event. Its like literally the same reason why the owner of a company makes more money than his employees

[LacedUp]

Wilder deserves more than GGG because Wilder is offering to finance the event. Its like literally the same reason why the owner of a company makes more money than his employees

Yeah offering to finance the event based on Joshua's name It's not Wilder's name that's being used to secure funds. His best payday is what AJ made last week for an appearance ffs.

Levels to this.

[hitking]

Yeah offering to finance the event based on Joshua's name It's not Wilder's name that's being used to secure funds. His best payday is what AJ made last week for an appearance ffs.

Levels to this.

I’m almost certain that Joshua wasn’t getting a $50M guarantee to fight Big Baby in Brooklyn. So apparently Wilder brings something to the table.

[LacedUp]

I’m almost certain that Joshua wasn’t getting a $50M guarantee to fight Big Baby in Brooklyn. So apparently Wilder brings something to the table.

Of course he is. But let's not kid ourselves here about who's the star and who's not.

[hitking]

Of course he is. But let's not kid ourselves here about who's the star and who's not.

I think you drastically overestimate AJ’s popularity in America. If you’re anything like me, you’re probably the only hardcore fight fan most of your family, friends, and/or associates know. And you’re probably the go-to guy for their boxing info. And to a man, every time I’ve been asked about Wilder-AJ the questions have been, “who is this English guy that Wilder is supposed to be fighting?” I take that with a grain of salt because I live in the same region as Wilder. And he’s had several fights about three hours away from my house. So Wilder’s popularity around here doesn’t necessarily reflect his popularity nationwide. And boxing isn’t exactly popular in the Southeast. So AJ’s lack of popularity here doesn’t necessarily reflect the rest of the country. But Wilder has managed to put a lot of asses in seats at the a Barclays. Which is quickly becoming the new Mecca of boxing. So let’s not pretend that AJ and AJ alone is the reason that Wilder was able to secure a ridiculous amount of funds to make that fight happen in America.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Hearn said it improved upon the original $12.5m for a UK fight. We don't know what it is because Team Wilder this time decided not to leak it to the press.

Wilder is not guaranteed $50m for a US fight and we certainly don't know how much he gets if the fight doesn't generate enough to become a 50/50 split, many on here were saying it is less than Hearn offered.

For argument's sake let's say the new deal for Wilder from Hearn equates to $15m (plus opportunity to become a PPV star if he wins, thereby increasing his future worth). If Wilder doesn't make it happen he goes back to Brezeale for $3m and no progression in his career.

For Joshua, he goes from $50m to let's say $35m and fights a more credible opponent in Povetkin, with Whyte and Fury on the horizon. He already has made much more cash than Wilder and is planning to reign for 10 years yet.

Who has the most to lose by not making this fight happen in the next 12 months?

Don't listen to the people on here, the vast majority have no idea what they are talking about, especially those who jump on with a stan like agenda. The reason why some said Wilder was going to get less than $12.5 million on that $50 million offer, was because they were assuming that Wilder would get his money after the fight was over and AJ got his $50 million. That is incorrect of course, but what do you expect from casuals?

Wilder was going to get a guaranteed minimum that would be paid by the same people who were backing AJ's $50 million, which would not have been in anyway connected to the revenue of the fight. There were no reports but I can almost guarantee that it would have been some where in the 20's. The 50/50 split would have been based on total revenue like PPV/Gate and so forth. There was a chance that the fighters may have only came out with the minimum guarantees + a percentage of the gate (because most state athletic commissions require that boxers get a portion of the gate it they are featured in the show). Who ever was putting up the minimum did so with the knowledge they may not get reimbursed, but that is the risk.

So both fighters lose out for not fighting in the US. Both fighters would have made more money than they ever have, even if the PPV tanked. If Wilder goes to the UK, it will be for less money, and he's not even guaranteed a split of the gate (as I am not sure what commission rules are in the UK). Everything in boxing is part of the fight. You don't give into every request of the other party just because it will be your biggest pay day. A fighter who completely gives in has already lost a piece of the battle. Should Wilder go to the UK? Of course, should he sell out to do it? I wouldn't, so I don't begrudge him for doing the same. At the end of the day everything is strategy, AJ gets frustrated, Hearn makes a couple of concessions, Wilder gets a fair deal, Wilder wins the first part of the battle. All you guys only see simple numbers, you're all missing the bigger picture.

[LacedUp]

I think you drastically overestimate AJ’s popularity in America. If you’re anything like me, you’re probably the only hardcore fight fan most of your family, friends, and/or associates know. And you’re probably the go-to guy for their boxing info. And to a man, every time I’ve been asked about Wilder-AJ the questions have been, “who is this English guy that Wilder is supposed to be fighting?” I take that with a grain of salt because I live in the same region as Wilder. And he’s had several fights about three hours away from my house. So Wilder’s popularity around here doesn’t necessarily reflect his popularity nationwide. And boxing isn’t exactly popular in the Southeast. So AJ’s lack of popularity here doesn’t necessarily reflect the rest of the country. But Wilder has managed to put a lot of asses in seats at the a Barclays. Which is quickly becoming the new Mecca of boxing. So let’s not pretend that AJ and AJ alone is the reason that Wilder was able to secure a ridiculous amount of funds to make that fight happen in America.

I'm not no. But he's a bigger star in America than Wilder More people showed up for the Joshua vs klitschko press conference than anything Wilder has ever done.

I didn't say it was AJ alone, but AJ is the star and the pull, not Wilder. Thinking or saying anything else is completely delusional.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I'm not no. But he's a bigger star in America than Wilder More people showed up for the Joshua vs klitschko press conference than anything Wilder has ever done.

I didn't say it was AJ alone, but AJ is the star and the pull, not Wilder. Thinking or saying anything else is completely delusional.

distortion and lies. Klits is why AJ got anybody to care in America, as proven by his woefully low Showtime numbers. Never passed 300k views until he fought Klits, then shot right back down after. Wilder is almost always over 1 million views, over 2.5 million on national TV while fighting a bum at that. Wilder has rated higher than most fighters in the US and there are a few far more popular than AJ. So what you say is fact less, feckless, and pure opinion based on fandom rather than fact.

[davefromvancouv]

Just goes to show the distance between both fighters... Who would Wilder fight next after Joshua?

He said he would ride out his mandatories and attempt to retire at 50-0, getting 75/25 in purse bids. First fight would be Povetkin to satisfy the WBA belt...