Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Slams Klitschko Brothers Over Recent Comments

[Slowhand]

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/36/5/325

facts. I done my research, and it's backed up by science....

Too long to read thoroughly right now but if it checks out.. good for you! I know a bit about PEDs but I´m always willing to learn. But as an excuse it seems even less credible than Canelita´s Beef.

[Vinnykin]

Too long to read thoroughly right now but if it checks out.. good for you! I know a bit about PEDs but I´m always willing to learn. But as an excuse it seems even less credible than Canelita´s Beef.

That's fine, just read the conclusion:

"The abuse of the steroid testosterone presented a new problem for drug control in sport.42 Perhaps the same can now be said for nandrolone. According to the Olympic movement anti-doping code, NA is not a prohibited substance.77 However, should NA in the urine exceed a certain threshold concentration, the interpretation is that nandrolone has been ingested or injected. There is strong scientific evidence to show that NA can appear in the urine of people free of exogenous nandrolone. Evidence suggests that NA may occur as an intermediate in the aromatisation of testosterone to oestrogen. Recent evidence has shown that the amount of NA in the urine can be regulated by the administration of human chorionic gonadotrophin. Therefore, threshold concentrations for men (2 ng/ml) and women (5 ng/ml) as defined by the IOC are still open to debate because conclusive scientific evidence showing how these values may be altered by various physiological stimuli is lacking. In accordance with this, multicentre studies need to answer further specific questions on the current urine threshold concentrations for nandrolone metabolites and whether physiological stressors and permitted supplement interventions can alter NA excretion"

Why is the limit 5ng/ml for women and 2ng/ml for men? men have been shown to test above 2ng/ml after exercise or on a certain diet (bad for boxers getting tested on a training day), women can test at 16ng/ml when pregnant! lol

This is bad testing methods. people that take synthetic nandrolone usually test 50x higher than the allowed limit.... from what I have researched, Fury was over the 2ng/ml limit but there is no way the testing agency could prove he was taking nandrolone, as explained above. He was not that much over the limit, and there has been research done that proves that any fighter can go over that limit with certain diet, exercise and supplements that stimulate the production of nandrolone in the body.

[Slowhand]

That's fine, just read the conclusion:

"The abuse of the steroid testosterone presented a new problem for drug control in sport.42 Perhaps the same can now be said for nandrolone. According to the Olympic movement anti-doping code, NA is not a prohibited substance.77 However, should NA in the urine exceed a certain threshold concentration, the interpretation is that nandrolone has been ingested or injected. There is strong scientific evidence to show that NA can appear in the urine of people free of exogenous nandrolone. Evidence suggests that NA may occur as an intermediate in the aromatisation of testosterone to oestrogen. Recent evidence has shown that the amount of NA in the urine can be regulated by the administration of human chorionic gonadotrophin. Therefore, threshold concentrations for men (2 ng/ml) and women (5 ng/ml) as defined by the IOC are still open to debate because conclusive scientific evidence showing how these values may be altered by various physiological stimuli is lacking. In accordance with this, multicentre studies need to answer further specific questions on the current urine threshold concentrations for nandrolone metabolites and whether physiological stressors and permitted supplement interventions can alter NA excretion"

Why is the limit 5ng/ml for women and 2ng/ml for men? men have been shown to test above 2ng/ml after exercise or on a certain diet (bad for boxers getting tested on a training day), women can test at 16ng/ml when pregnant! lol

This is bad testing methods. people that take synthetic nandrolone usually test 50x higher than the allowed limit.... from what I have researched, Fury was over the 2ng/ml limit but there is no way the testing agency could prove he was taking nandrolone, as explained above. He was not that much over the limit, and there has been research done that proves that any fighter can go over that limit with certain diet, exercise and supplements that stimulate the production of nandrolone in the body.

Thanks, I´m a big fan of facts. Btw, how high was the Fury sample with Nandrolone?

[Vinnykin]

Thanks, I´m a big fan of facts. Btw, how high was the Fury sample with Nandrolone?

I'll be honest and say that I don't know what his test results were, but going by the case and UKAD being unable to prove he took nandrolone, it was not that much higher than the 2ng/ml limit, and certainly NOT the amount that would be expected of someone ingesting or injecting synthetic nandrolone, which is usually much higher than the 2ng/ml limit.

[BigTony69]

Who lost to Chris Bird ?

Seriously? Did you watch the fight?

[Laligalaliga]

It was Tyson Fury who ended the Klitschko era. That's a fact.

And AJ rounded it up in classic style.

[Laligalaliga]

let's be honest here. no one around today would beat vitali klitschko in his prime

Forget all these assumptions, that time is passed. Let's face now and future.

Any HW can be beating. Nobody is unbeatable.

[P4Pdunny]

we get it Tyson

[Removed Now]

Seriously? Did you watch the fight?

I watched it, Its still a lost. Should had stopped him before he couldn't continued samething with the Lennox fight .

[lion33lit]

Made it look easy? Haha Fury stumbled around the ring and happened to flit his gloves out there a bit more often so he got the nod. He deserved the decision sure but lets not pretend that it was all that impressive.

Lol...I never said anything about impressive, I said EASY, which made it look even more EMBARRASSING for the Kriticising Klit who definitely "deserved the decision." He's under the impression his SORE LOSER criticism is worth lending an ear to.....Corrie Sanders anyone - lets hear him criticise that......He can still call Fury out now, but he won't, even he realises criticising his personality coudn't/won't guarantee a win...