Comments Thread For: Hearn: I Want To Know This Week If Wilder Wants The Fight

[Reverb]

Anyone who thinks the opinions and tiny income from a bunch of forum posters matters isn't in the business of making real money.
Who would rush a deal that is guaranteed, sitting on the table, ready any time you want it on your terms, when you can make a fortune before it. AJ Vs Wilder is a dead cert deal so why rush in to something which doesn't tick every box when you don't need it?
School yard talk doesn't mean thing in business.

The point is being made by both sides in all these press releases.
Who needs this fight?

[Ake-Dawg]

It matters in regard to the claim that the offer was legit. If the clauses were such that Joshua couldn't accept them then the offer was as unacceptable as Hearn's flat fee which preceded it..

Just because the offer may have had clauses that Hearn "couldn't" accept, doesn't make the offer any less legit. It's not up to other fighters to protect Joshua's sponsorship deals and handshake agreements with vendors etc.

The entire point that Joshua was making was that Wilder's side were making claims about the value of the fight in the US which were not substantiated. They were the ones claiming the fight was worth 100m at which point 50m up front for the A side is emphatically not an outrageous claim. AJ's point was, if what you're saying is correct then why aren't you offering 50m? I think to an extent they were trying to flush Wilder's team out at that point to see what they really thought the fight was worth. It appears that they meant what they said. .

Please tell you understand that Hearn was low-balling his total revenue projection to make the flat fee seem attractive.

As to whether you consider AJ to be bound to accept the fight at that point. That depends on whether you consider an email from Wilder, twitter videos, leaks to journalists, 24 hour deadlines, no clarification of other deal points, no meeting or discussion an acceptable form of doing business. From memory I think we differ on that point.

All of those things are par for the course. There are very few rules in business. Besides, Hearn basically said the primary reason why he didn't verbally accept the deal was because he didn't want to look like a "schmuck" if he backed out due to a deal point he just couldn't accept. Little did we know that that deal point was having the fight in the U.S.

Again from memory I believe there was a caveat to Wilder's 60/40 which was that he wanted the split reversed in a US rematch. I doubt that's acceptable to Hearn given the massive disparity between what the two men bring to the table.

That's not that unacceptable considering Wilder would have a) won the fight and got the belts b) now be drawing more U.S/UK revenue after having won the first fight.

[New England]

Both fighters are after a stacked deck in home conditions.

difference is that las vegas is the more neutral venue for a big fight, and that it's where the money is. one side is being less reasonable than the other. given what i've told you about the neutrality and the revenue, who do you think it is?

[N/A]

It matters in regard to the claim that the offer was legit. If the clauses were such that Joshua couldn't accept them then the offer was as unacceptable as Hearn's flat fee which preceded it.

Hearn has already confirmed the offer is legit, but that AJ prefers to take less money to fight in the UK. So it's silly to keep saying the offer wasn't legit when even AJ's side is saying it was, but that out of principle, the fight must be in the UK even though AJ's public demands were met.

The entire point that Joshua was making was that Wilder's side were making claims about the value of the fight in the US which were not substantiated. They were the ones claiming the fight was worth 100m at which point 50m up front for the A side is emphatically not an outrageous claim. AJ's point was, if what you're saying is correct then why aren't you offering 50m? I think to an extent they were trying to flush Wilder's team out at that point to see what they really thought the fight was worth. It appears that they meant what they said.

And even before the 50 million offer, Hearn repeatedly admitted the fight generated the most in Vegas and that the 100 million projection was based on Vegas. So when AJ says give me 50 million and I'll sign tomorrow, clearly he was referring to the 100 million Vegas projections.

As to whether you consider AJ to be bound to accept the fight at that point. That depends on whether you consider an email from Wilder, twitter videos, leaks to journalists, 24 hour deadlines, no clarification of other deal points, no meeting or discussion an acceptable form of doing business. From memory I think we differ on that point.

AJ isn't legally bound to accept, but once Wilder's team proved the deal was legit, AJ was morally bound to accept the premise of a fight in the US for 50 million guaranteed. AJ is the one backing out of what he promised and now demanding the fight be in the UK, even though it will cause both fighters to make a lot less money.

Again from memory I believe there was a caveat to Wilder's 60/40 which was that he wanted the split reversed in a US rematch. I doubt that's acceptable to Hearn given the massive disparity between what the two men bring to the table.

That is true, if Wilder wins, he wants 60% in the rematch. But keep in mind if Parker had won, Parker was guaranteed 55% in the rematch. Considering Wilder is a much bigger star than Parker and brings a much bigger market to the table, if Parker was getting 55% in the rematch, Wilder getting 60% is pretty reasonable.

[Illmatic94]

AJ ****smokers should stay away from these threads. they have zero credibility.

Hearn said this fight was only worth $40 million. It's not that huge since Wilder is a nobody with zero fans.. the AJ fanboys ran with that.

so then this "nobody" offers AJ a guarantee of $50 million with PPV upside for a supposed "$40 million dollar fight" and now Hearn says its not about the money.

It went from a PR stunt to a "very strong offer" lol

these fanboys just parrot and support anything AJ says. no matter how cowardly it sounds.

Hearn is more than happy to fight Miller IN HIS HOMETOWN of Brooklyn but won't fight Wilder in Vegas which is damn near another country compared to Alabama.

SMH. goddam frauds.

UK cowards.

[Illmatic94]

Bytch you suck Deontay balls like your life depends on it, haha you nuthuggers can't get any more pathetic

You're a coward just like your daddy Anthony Johnson.

About Juice is scared of coming to Vegas because he wont be able to sneak in his steroids and needles.

His last two fights have been absolute dog**** but you probably jizzed yourself watching those borefests.

remember the $50 million doesn't exist.. never forget.

[Reverb]

Just because the offer may have had clauses that Hearn "couldn't" accept, doesn't make the offer any less legit.

A legit but unacceptable offer is just that.
The James Braddock 10% will never be forgotten. People don't just jump at any offer right?

[ShoulderRoll]

It's pretty clear which side really wants the fight and which side keeps throwing up roadblocks.

I've rarely seen a team so shook of fighting another man in Las Vegas that they are willing to take much less money in order to fight him at home.

Have they at least offered to make it worth Wilder's time to go to the UK? Have they increased their ridiculous and insulting offer of $12.5 million?

[Karoriori]

difference is that las vegas is the more neutral venue for a big fight, and that it's where the money is. one side is being less reasonable than the other. given what i've told you about the neutrality and the revenue, who do you think it is?

I think both camps are equally pathetic.

[Reverb]

It's pretty clear which side really wants the fight and which side keeps throwing up roadblocks.

I've rarely seen a team so shook of fighting another man in Las Vegas that they are willing to take much less money in order to fight him at home.

Have they at least offered to make it worth Wilder's time to go to the UK? Have they increased their ridiculous and insulting offer of $12.5 million?

I see it as a case of needs rather than wants. One side makes a fortune with or without it, the other doesn't. Whether we like it or not, big boxing is ALL about business.