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  • R_Walken
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    #191
    Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
    GGG's dream was to unify. He was promoted as getting all the belts. That's why he turned down other more challenging fights. If he doesn't unify with Saunders his legacy is tarnished. He already turned him down once.
    Seriously what the f.uck are you even talking about

    What in your response does it have to do with my post about Trella giving Canelo the 7th


    Regardless of how you feel if Golovkin retired right now he’s probably in the HOF with or with out a Saunders fight or fights you feel he didn’t take

    Turned him down to take the Canelo fight. F.uck what is with Golovkin that turns good posters irrational

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    • R_Walken
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      #192
      Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
      Talking about Canelo's legacy. These fighters don't care about legacy they care about money. If these fighters cared about legacy GGG would've fought Sauders last year instead of Canelo. Period. Point. Blank!
      No sh.it it’s always about the $

      But Canelos a bigger legacy fight then Saunders even with a strap

      So don’t get what your trying to say

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      • R_Walken
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        #193
        Originally posted by aboutfkntime
        you could make that same claim, using that same rationale..... about every judge EVER

        the point is, that fight was close as hell..... in 5 of those 12 rounds, all 3 judges scored those rounds for Canelo

        so deciding to call a judge corrupt because he differed from another judge by one solitary points..... smacks of sillyness

        when sulky fans fall back to the PED card, and the corruption card..... you know they just took a hard L
        No you can’t make that claim about every judge

        It wasnt a blowout but it wasn’t a close
        Fight there was a clear winner and it wasn’t Canelo

        Canelo won some rounds but didn’t win the fight . Same as Lara vs Canelo, CNelo won some
        Rounds but didn’t win the fight


        What you can claim and have proof of using the Lara , Mayweather, Cotto ,Khan , Trout fights as examples is that when Canelo fights he has 1 judge in the pocket , 1 judge giving Canelo every benifit and 1 judge scoring somewhat fairly the Golovkin fight was no different

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          #194
          Golovkin promoter right on this one, Canelo needs to fight an old GGG to save his image, but Canelo has proven he doesn’t care about the fans or the titles and will use this for an excuse to fight an easier fight like Spike. GGG the best at 160 and will remain that way for a long time, especially if Canelo keeps running

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            #195
            Originally posted by R_Walken
            No you can’t make that claim about every judge

            It wasnt a blowout but it wasn’t a close
            Fight there was a clear winner
            and it wasn’t Canelo

            Canelo won some rounds but didn’t win the fight . Same as Lara vs Canelo, CNelo won some
            Rounds but didn’t win the fight

            What you can claim and have proof of using the Lara , Mayweather, Cotto ,Khan , Trout fights as examples is that when Canelo fights he has 1 judge in the pocket , 1 judge giving Canelo every benifit and 1 judge scoring somewhat fairly the Golovkin fight was no different


            I don't believe that at all

            anyone who believes that is most likely blindly scoring for the guy going forward

            aggression is not valid scoring criteria..... nor is trying hard, "making the fight", and all that other bollocks

            effective aggression, is.... which is most likely where we disagree

            that fight was verrrry close

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              #196
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime
              I don't believe that at all

              anyone who believes that is most likely blindly scoring for the guy going forward

              aggression is not valid scoring criteria..... nor is trying hard, "making the fight", and all that other bollocks

              effective aggression, is.... which is most likely where we disagree

              that fight was verrrry close
              No it really Wasn’t

              Yes Canelo won some rounds but there was a clear winner

              I view Stevenson / Jack as a close fight and a acceptable draw of the first LSC / Frampton or Ward /Kov fights as close ,arguments can be made for either fighter that they deserved the W

              No such arguments can be made IMo for GGg/Canelo to me it was a repeat of the Lara/Canelo fight in which a fighter beat Canelo but got jobbed by the judges

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                #197
                Originally posted by R_Walken
                No it really Wasn’t

                Yes Canelo won some rounds but there was a clear winner

                I view Stevenson / Jack as a close fight and a acceptable draw of the first LSC / Frampton or Ward /Kov fights as close ,arguments can be made for either fighter that they deserved the W

                No such arguments can be made IMo for GGg/Canelo to me it was a repeat of the Lara/Canelo fight in which a fighter beat Canelo but got jobbed by the judges


                I don't think that you like Canelo very much

                neither of those fights were robberies

                there was a case for either guy, in both fights

                Canelo was the most effective puncher in both of those fights, but he also needed to do a little more in both of those fights

                almost any result would have been within an acceptable scoring range for either of those fights, it depends how you score

                Byrd was out of line, but she had the right idea imo..... in a matchup with a boxer vs a pressure fighter, if the pressure fighter is ineffective, then she will score for the boxer..... and most old school punters would agree..... because in that situation one guy is doing his job, and one guy is not..... and again, the better punches/combinations were landed by Canelo

                that fight was pretty close man

                not sure that you like Canelo very much

                we can agree to disagree

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                  #198
                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                  I don't think that you like Canelo very much

                  neither of those fights were robberies

                  there was a case for either guy, in both fights

                  Canelo was the most effective puncher in both of those fights, but he also needed to do a little more in both of those fights

                  almost any result would have been within an acceptable scoring range for either of those fights, it depends how you score

                  Byrd was out of line, but she had the right idea imo..... in a matchup with a boxer vs a pressure fighter, if the pressure fighter is ineffective, then she will score for the boxer..... and most old school punters would agree..... because in that situation one guy is doing his job, and one guy is not..... and again, the better punches/combinations were landed by Canelo

                  that fight was pretty close man

                  not sure that you like Canelo very much

                  we can agree to disagree
                  "Byrd was out of line, but she had the right idea imo..... in a matchup with a boxer vs a pressure fighter, if the pressure fighter is ineffective, then she will score for the boxer..... and most old school punters would agree..... because in that situation one guy is doing his job, and one guy is not..... and again, the better punches/combinations were landed by Canelo

                  that fight was pretty close man"


                  THIS

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                    #199
                    Originally posted by R_Walken
                    No you can’t make that claim about every judge

                    It wasnt a blowout but it wasn’t a close
                    Fight there was a clear winner and it wasn’t Canelo

                    Canelo won some rounds but didn’t win the fight . Same as Lara vs Canelo, CNelo won some
                    Rounds but didn’t win the fight


                    What you can claim and have proof of using the Lara , Mayweather, Cotto ,Khan , Trout fights as examples is that when Canelo fights he has 1 judge in the pocket , 1 judge giving Canelo every benifit and 1 judge scoring somewhat fairly the Golovkin fight was no different
                    this claim of canelo having judges in their pocket holds little weight against common sense

                    if byrd had scored 115-113 no one would be questioning her

                    so the question being begged is "why would byrd draw attention to herself"?.....if she was rigging the fight wouldn't common sense tell you to do so in a manner which draws the least attention?

                    lets not forget there are 3 judges watching from 3 different points of view....one might not see things the other two do....byrd simply saw things differently from a different angle......she doesn't have the luxury of watching from a tv monitor or set....shes also not sitting next to the other two judges.....that's why there are 3 judges and in 3 different spots

                    if byrd was in on it she would have fixed it without drawing attention to herself and the card.....logic and common sense don't jive with the accusation....the just don't plain and simple....she very well could have filled out 115-113 for canelo and there would have been very little chatter about it besides the crying from the gggroupies

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                    • R_Walken
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                      #200
                      Originally posted by Curt Henning
                      this claim of canelo having judges in their pocket holds little weight against common sense

                      if byrd had scored 115-113 no one would be questioning her

                      so the question being begged is "why would byrd draw attention to herself"?.....if she was rigging the fight wouldn't common sense tell you to do so in a manner which draws the least attention?

                      lets not forget there are 3 judges watching from 3 different points of view....one might not see things the other two do....byrd simply saw things differently from a different angle......she doesn't have the luxury of watching from a tv monitor or set....shes also not sitting next to the other two judges.....that's why there are 3 judges and in 3 different spots

                      if byrd was in on it she would have fixed it without drawing attention to herself and the card.....logic and common sense don't jive with the accusation....the just don't plain and simple....she very well could have filled out 115-113 for canelo and there would have been very little chatter about it besides the crying from the gggroupies
                      If Canelo doesn’t have 1 judge in the pocket for his fights you must agree with the 1 wide scorecard for his previous fights and just write it off as a abnormality

                      Trout 118-110
                      Mayweather 114-114
                      Lara 117-111
                      Cotto 119-109
                      Khan 49-46 ( not that it mattered)
                      Golovkin 118-110

                      with the exception of the Chavez Jr fight in Canelos last 5 fights that went the distance at least 1 scorecaRd was so skewed in Canelos favour that fans and media have questioned its legitimacy

                      I guess it’s all just a coincidence , my bad

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