Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: Joshua Should Take 1, 2 More Fights - Then Get Wilder

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  • TyrantT316
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    #11
    The fight needs to happen sooner rather than later. We don't need to see them beat up fighters ranked in the 20's, previous HW generation leftovers or guys that failed against Wlad before they fight each other.

    I think we wait on big fights for too long rather than letting guys who are clearly on a crash course as rivals simply fight when it's hot. Then depending on how the fight goes, they can have a rematch and make just as much if not more money.

    I think all of these delays truly come down to fear of losing. I don't mean in a 'boy scared of a grown man' or 'mouse scared of a cat' type of way. I mean in a 'I know that fight will be tough, and if I lose, I lose my undefeated record, marketability, aura of invincibility and this incredible feeling of being on top of the world, so why should I rush to a fight like that rather than enjoy my fame and fortune the way my promoters are moving me" kind of way. It's more about prolonging a career and making money in a sport that isn't so forgiving when you lose if you have a lot of undefeated hype.

    Someone like Broner has already lose multiple times. So I think he's less worried about losing big fights and more about being as controversial and "entertaining" as he can leading up to big fights so he can make money.

    Wilder and Joshua have a lot at stake. Wilder loses, he loses all of his mystique. He's flawed, took a while to "catch on" with the public as a serious HW. His title, his undefeated record, size, mouth and knockout ratio are his marketability. If he loses his title, undefeated record, then that is such a huge blow.

    Joshua loses, he loses that "thing about him" as this prestigious HW champion on top of the world that has that aura about him being undefeated. His looks, charm, title, Wlad win, marketability, UK support, size and knockouts are his marketability.

    To me, Joshua is riding on top for many reasons and the Wlad win simply put him over the top. So losing now would deflate a lot of that. However, of the two, Joshua would be better off after a loss in their fight. He is Hearn's marketing/promotional dream. However, I think Hearn and Joshua feel they have the most, and therefor the most to lose. Wilder loses, he loses his title. Joshua loses, he loses ALL of his titles. So they want as many things to be in their favor in order for the fight to happen.

    Wilder is a championship title holder too. And therefor he doesn't want to be treated as "the challenger". He's worked hard too and has a title that he's defended multiple times. He may not have Wlad on his record, but he doesn't want to be treated like some rank #17 up and coming contender. He wants to feel the respect as a champion like AJ.

    If AJ wants to truly be at the top without question, he'd want to fight and beat Wilder to unify everything. He beat Wlad. Then beating Wilder would be the pinnacle of all he could dream of accomplishing in Boxing other than going on some crazy, undefeated title defense streak.

    Wilder wants this probably because he has less to lose from a numbers perspective and the most to gain.

    I think who has the most to lose is a matter of perspective. But they both have the same exact amount to gain. Title of the clear, Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.

    "...Let them fight." - Ken Watanabe

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    • Boxing Goat
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      #12
      Originally posted by G G G
      Roy Jones is acting senile as of late. I lost all respect for him after he hinted at Golovkin getting DQ'd for punching Vanes. He is just jelly that GGG would have knocked him out cold and surpassed him as an all time great.
      You don't have to sh@t on past greats to elevate current great fighters. GGG is great all on his own and Roy was unbelievable at 160 so let's not go there.
      Last edited by Boxing Goat; 05-21-2018, 09:13 PM.

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      • The enforcer75
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        #13
        He means 5000 uk fans not 5000 fans in total lol! I think someone else might have a little brain damage themselves!

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        • Caught Square
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          #14
          There's no need to delay it anymore, the fight has been building good since around Wilder-Stiverne 2. Now is the perfect time to strike while the irons hot.

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          • Kezzer
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            #15
            Originally posted by Bronx2245
            I notice that I don't see too many people in the sports world saying that Wilder should wait, or have 1 or 2 more fights. I wonder why?
            He’s has forty fights already ffs! 😂

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            • The enforcer75
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              #16
              Originally posted by Patsfan bri
              Roy has brain damage . Him saying 5000 fans in the US is way off, he knows damn well there would more thank 5k fans. Also why are all these experts like jones and atlas saying Joshua should take 1 or 2 more fights ? Funny how everyone seems to think AJ will Smash wilder but yet everyone thinks AJ needs a few more fights first .
              He means 5000 uk fans not 5000 fans in total lol!

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              • Boxing Goat
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                #17
                Here's the thing.....

                Roy is right ultimately. Hearn knows this and Joshua's fans know this. That's why they are trying their hardest to get the fight delayed while making out that it's not delayed on Joshua's part when anyone with brains knows Wilder would fight him this weekend is things worked out right. The fact of the matter is that Wilder would have knocked Joshua spark out if he had been in there when Parker was. Joshua is just not ready. Wilder matches him in height, reach and has more power. It's a dangerous fight and realistically, needs to marinate another fight or two. Then, both guys will be ready and not just one of them. (Wilder)

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                • 123tommy
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                  #18
                  As a fight fan,"No way!" but Joshua has most of the chips so,"yeah that makes sense."The only problem is one of them getting chinned before hand,which is likely to happen.Joshua has plenty of lucrative options and Wilder doesn't..That's boxing,business and life.

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                  • TyrantT316
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Boxing Goat
                    Here's the thing.....

                    Roy is right ultimately. Hearn knows this and Joshua's fans know this.
                    I think Joshua's team and fans are simply looking to protect their fighter. Joshua is a promoter's DREAM...Hearn is in such a great position to have Joshua, a UK, HW Champion, who just beat a legend in Wlad, who is tall, muscular, charming, good looking, etc.

                    Hearn has no intention on "giving that up" without getting as much return out of that kind of fight as possible. If Hearn and AJ can't get as much on their side and their way for a fight with Wilder now, then they will move forward with their marketable system and make as much money and fame as possible.

                    People shouldn't forget that Hearn is in business for himself too. He doesn't want to be known as the promoter who caved and fed boxing's most marketable fighter to a dangerous foe for anything less than "everything".

                    Hearn is his promoter. Hearn advises him on the best course of action to take. Hearn likely says "hey, Wilder is so flawed, that he could lose any day now...maybe we make him wait and lose then we don't have to give him the time of day?"...or "Wilder is a big fight..a tough fight..I believe you'll win...but I am here to help make you a star and money..so if we push for this fight, he will not dictate the terms...I am here for YOU..."

                    I think all of this is more about AJ/Hearn than Wilder. I feel Wilder just wants to be treated like a champion and not a no-name contender. In Wilder's mind, AJ isn't some 10 year, long reigning undisputed champion. He doesn't see AJ as "more" or "better" than him. He sees AJ as another titles and wants to prove who is the best between them.

                    Bother have their cases. But to make the fight wait for years? No. Do it now!

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                    • Smash
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                      #20
                      joshua must be going to bed tormented by this, a little eddie hearn on his left side saying just wait 2 more fights and then wilder, a little wilder on his right side shouting bommmm squuuaaad

                      joshua doesnt want to be seen as a marinator (ducker)

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