loma is amazing no doubt....the one "but" i have

[Curt Henning]

... this guy turned pro when he was 25 years and 8 months old... and he only fought 11 times at the pros by now...

right...except that he probably should have turned pro by 21-22.....the next gold medal was overkill but i understand it means alot more where hes from.....but its not like he wasnt training and sparring guys for those 4 years between olympics

already in 11 pro fights hes built a good resume for his weight....so he already has solid pro experience in 12 fights

thats why i feel like the age factor is more important than the number of pro fights.....he could easily have had 25-30 pro fights by now ...he chose a different route...but i think he would have been great even if he had chose to go earlier

[nacho daddy]

the Ams and Pros are different though. I'm a firm believer in age over milage also. a 31 year old with 11 pro fights and a 31 year old with 40 pro fights are going to be completely different (not just in experience but also the breaking down of their body)

Also why some guys will gradually decline, while others will look like world beaters and then with the snap of a finger they look awful

so I guess if you have 350 amateur fights that don't count for wear and tear

[MDPopescu]

right...except that he probably should have turned pro by 21-22.....the next gold medal was overkill but i understand it means alot more where hes from.....but its not like he wasnt training and sparring guys for those 4 years between olympics

already in 11 pro fights hes built a good resume for his weight....so he already has solid pro experience in 12 fights

thats why i feel like the age factor is more important than the number of pro fights.....he could easily have had 25-30 pro fights by now ...he chose a different route...but i think he would have been great even if he had chose to go earlier

... Well, you may also add those 6 "quasi-pro" wins he had in AIBA World Series (2012-20133)...

[Curt Henning]

i guess..ill just say...if an american fighter ....say spence for example...won gold at 21-22...and decided to go for another at 25-26...then came out and started fighting guys like jeff horn, vanes and kell brook....would we be so quick to be impressed? i dunno....i think we would look at for what it is....

[_Rexy_]

so I guess if you have 350 amateur fights that don't count for wear and tear

I thought i covered that when I mentioned how it was different.

Yes, 12 round fights with 8oz gloves, no headgear and body shots allowed will be much more wear and tear than 3 round fights with 12oz gloves and protection.

[ruedboy]

Loma's a different animal. Floyd was about risk-reward. Loma's about legacy. Floyd was about protecting the "0" and maximizing cash flow. Loma's about proving himself as a great fighter and that means taking risks.

[Curt Henning]

Loma's a different animal. Floyd was about risk-reward. Loma's about legacy. Floyd was about protecting the "0" and maximizing cash flow. Loma's about proving himself as a great fighter and that means taking risks.

loma may be a different animal...but not in the sense you are trying to make it in

given the chance yes loma would take the exact same route floyd did...and btw when floyd was a young buck in the game he wanted what he could get...he wanted shane way back when floyd was basically only known to the diehard boxing fan world and shane was a big name.....

floyds game changed when the opportunity arose and as he built his name up

if loma could go up and get big money fights and turn himself into the level of superstar floyd was...he would do it in a hearbeat and take the same route....loma just isnt capable of going that high and getting those kind of fights....

take a look at golovkin...go no further....

if he were like loma he wouldnt have cared about canelo and would have taken up ward on the opportunity to beat a truly great fighter at 168....but he waited it out and took less risky fights in order for the brinks truck that is canelo

loma would prob take the same route if there was a fight worth that kind of money and he had to move up to 147....he can take all the fights he wants now because the money is all basically the same and he knows hes better than pretty much all of these guy cept mikey

[Curt Henning]

loma may be a different animal though indeed.....there isnt anything like him...havent and probably wont see anything like it till a new generation comes along that were inspired by and tried to mimmick loma

the foot/hand speed combo along with angles...the ability to be both offensively and defensively dominate(although defense not as much last night)...he is indeed a different animal in that sense

[BillyBoxing]

first off..no question hes the top guy p4p....we havent seen anyhthing like him...and i applaud him for coming out of the gate going after top level comp...he didnt really have to but he chose that route

my only "but" is that while i want to give him alot of credit for that(coming out of the gate against good comp) i dont wanna give him too much credit for it

im more of an age guy than i am a pro fight guy...now dont get me wrong im aware of the differences...im aware of how many great amatuers or top young prospects cant find a way at the pro level...and struggle mightily

i just hate this "fastest ever" to 3 class world titles stuff...was he younger than floyd when he did it? he chose to stay amatuer longer....and go for another medal....and thats his decision and it certainly means alot where hes from so i get it......im just not sold on giving him that distinction

basketball is a different animal with the rule changes for early entrants being moved....but when you take a look at baseball the way it has changed...15-20 years ago if you drafted a kid out of college he might spend 2-3 years in the minors working his way through the system...a high school kid even longer....now you are seeing a faster return on investment with alot of college players being drafted in june and being called up by september...and even some of the top high school talent only spending 2-3 years in the minors (guys like correa, lindor, machado)

i think loma is great...he is the goods..no question...im just not sold on screaming "fastest ever to 3 world titles in 3 divisions"....hes 30 years old and has tons of experience...i dont think its something that sets him apart....i may being nit picky...and i realize its a line that is used to hype and sell and im not mad at that...its just ill never really see it in my eyes

So now turning pro later is an advantage in the pros...

We saw yesterday that he lacked a bit of pro experience if you ask me.

He's still has amateurish habits.

[Curt Henning]

So now turning pro later is an advantage in the pros...

We saw yesterday that he lacked a bit of pro experience if you ask me.

He's still has amateurish habits.

i never said it was an "advantage"...in fact i dont think anywhere i ever even implied that

im just saying...it was his choice.....he was confident in that he could face the level of comp right off the bat believing that his experience and skill would trump everything....

and i doubt he will be able to kick any of these "habits" by now....you usually are what you are at this time....few rare instances weve seen guys change things up and be successful

do you think if he turned pro at 22 he would be any different than he is now? i doubt it....he was just in the ring with a bigger guy that is pretty strong and tough....and he got a bit lazy and careless....although defensively he wasnt quite as on point as usual but i thought that was basically because linares was able to withstand his offense and still throw without being overwhelmed