Comments Thread For: Joshua's Promoter Plans To Make a "New" Offer To Wilder

[Holler]

You missed the entire point of my post. You expect Wilder's side to have the entire contract drawn up with every detail or there is no negotiation.

Where did I say that?

I didn't miss the point of your post, I just think you've completely misunderstood the nature of this deal. It's emphatically not a 'a major purchase deal' as you reference. Let's try it this way. When you sold your house, what conditions did you require of the new owner? Do they have to paint it every 3 years or promise to put in a new kitchen? No, of course not! You didn't require any conditions of them because you were selling an asset and once it was sold you had no further interest in it.

This is different. AJ is signing up for a fight, but once it's over he'll be boxing again. He'll still want to be working with his global sponsors. He'll still want to take advantage of the TV deals he's signed. He's not selling up an asset, he's signing for one chapter in a career and he has to make sure that one chapter doesn't compromise those aspects he's been building over many years.

So price is important, but it's not like selling a house where for the seller it's everything, it's one factor amongst many. The most important one? Sure. The only one? Don't be daft.

[Patsfan bri]

It's very, very simple.

So simple it can be expressed in just a couple of sentences.

The concern is not about Haymon or Finkel failing to pay fighters. It is about the structure of the offer. The structure of the offer is not clear and until it is, there can be no acceptance.

If Finkel is serious about the offer he will have no problem in clarifying it. If he's not serious he will continue to insist that Hearn accepts it without clarification.

You and others can decide to look at this one of two ways. You can say:

'yes, I would have no problem accepting a multi-million pound deal where I don't know any of the details'

or:

'no, if I were in charge of a multi-million pound operation I would need some more details before I committed to a deal'.

One of the above positions is very, very ******.

The other is the position that a sane business person would adopt, if they were in charge of a multi million dollar brand.

thank god this was only a few sentence reply. Ok where do I begin?

First you say there is no concern about the money yet Hearn was asking for proof of funds and to be paid upfront, so there was concern.

Second , you didn’t answer my question why Hearn couldn’t just say a simple yes and then per Finkel and his emails ( go back and read them ) they can negotiate from there .

Third Hearn was the one who asked for 50 million and nothing else. Now he shiiit his pants cause the money is there and now Hearn want other demands.

Fourth if Hearn said he is not obligated to sign anything

Fifth Hearn just want total control of this fight .

Just for the record I don’t think AJ is scared of wilder , I think Hearn is the one who is **** blocking this fight . AJ should fire him cause AJ has a 50 million deal staring him in the face but Hearn is a such a nut he wants what’s best for him not AJ.

[juggernaut666]

Top guys????? The best that Joshua has faced was a greatly diminished Klitschko, and that was life and death for him. He has looked like feces in his last two fights. Great shades of Primo Carnera!

Wilder was saved by the bell against a 50 year old Ortiz whos last legit fight was 3 years prior to fighting Wilder .

Do you really want me to break down Wilders resume and embarrass you ?

[Holler]

thank god this was only a few sentence reply. Ok where do I begin?

First you say there is no concern about the money yet Hearn was asking for proof of funds and to be paid upfront, so there was concern.

Allow me to rephrase. There's no doubt Haymon is a serious player and is capable of getting the 50. That doesn't mean a responsible promoter would still like to see more on the source of the funding. That's just good business.

Second , you didn’t answer my question why Hearn couldn’t just say a simple yes and then per Finkel and his emails ( go back and read them ) they can negotiate from there .

Because saying yes could be interpreted as a legally binding verbal contract and if the subsequent details are not acceptable Hearn and AJ may be open to action if they withdraw. Best case scenario the AJ brand is damaged by the perception that he's ducked the fight. You don't say yes unless you know what you're signing up to. Sound fair?

Third Hearn was the one who asked for 50 million and nothing else. Now he shiiit his pants cause the money is there and now Hearn want other demands.

This doesn't appear to be a question? Hearn has said they're interested in the money but need to know more. Sound fair?

Fourth if Hearn said he is not obligated to sign anything

What's the question here I'm not clear?

Fifth Hearn just want total control of this fight .

He definitely wants some control, or at least more knowledge. You can see his side of things from here: https://********/p4RAR_950FQ?t=440

Just for the record I don’t think AJ is scared of wilder , I think Hearn is the one who is **** blocking this fight . AJ should fire him cause AJ has a 50 million deal staring him in the face but Hearn is a such a nut he wants what’s best for him not AJ.

I don't think either fighter are scared of the other. I think both sets of promoters would be happy to let the fight build. I don't think either side have covered themselves in glory over the past 2 weeks.

I think your view of Hearn is needlessly extreme and polarised. He's not the devil any more than Finkel and Haymon are angels. They're all cut from the same cloth.

Finally, 50m is a lot of money but relatively less to a fighter that makes 20m+ per fight. It's not enough for AJ to abandon all his contracts, prejudice his future earnings or do long term damage to his career. So he needs to know more about any deal before he says yes. Just plain common sense.

[Verus]

WHY WOULD HEARN BE SENDING A COUNTER-OFFER? If he truly believed that it was a PR stunt.

The so-called offer of $50 million plus 50% was bogus Hearn knows that, but he also knows his offer was to low. That is why he is willing to talk. If it were real Wilder's folks would have shown who was underwriting the financials and Josua's side would have taken it. There is no way on planet earth that they can do better than 4 to 1 split in the offer you described while assuming zero risk. But the fact is, we are only 2 guys on the sidelines without any direct knowledge speculating about it. Let's see how this turns out.

[Patsfan bri]

Allow me to rephrase. There's no doubt Haymon is a serious player and is capable of getting the 50. That doesn't mean a responsible promoter would still like to see more on the source of the funding. That's just good business.



Because saying yes could be interpreted as a legally binding verbal contract and if the subsequent details are not acceptable Hearn and AJ may be open to action if they withdraw. Best case scenario the AJ brand is damaged by the perception that he's ducked the fight. You don't say yes unless you know what you're signing up to. Sound fair?



This doesn't appear to be a question? Hearn has said they're interested in the money but need to know more. Sound fair?



What's the question here I'm not clear?



He definitely wants some control, or at least more knowledge. You can see his side of things from here: https://********/p4RAR_950FQ?t=440



I don't think either fighter are scared of the other. I think both sets of promoters would be happy to let the fight build. I don't think either side have covered themselves in glory over the past 2 weeks.

I think your view of Hearn is needlessly extreme and polarised. He's not the devil any more than Finkel and Haymon are angels. They're all cut from the same cloth.

Finally, 50m is a lot of money but relatively less to a fighter that makes 20m+ per fight. It's not enough for AJ to abandon all his contracts, prejudice his future earnings or do long term damage to his career. So he needs to know more about any deal before he says yes. Just plain common sense.

I’m actually glad to be having a normal discussion with someone instead of just insults and racist slurs thrown my way.

I didn’t realize that if said yes to the money without signing anything , just let the negotiations proceed from there that there is a legal binding agreement. I’m still not sure on that as I am. Or a lawyer. It just seemed that a lot of brits were saying wilder should say yes to the 12.5 million so what’s the difference?

With the money thing and Hearn wanting to know more ( even though Finkel and Haymon never screwed anyone ) just seems like and excuse. 2 weeks ago when Hearn said he wanted 50 he didn’t say he wanted 50 and proof, and upfront money and so on.

50 is more than 2x the money he has ever made , it just seems like they should have accepted then proceed forward without any commitment.

As far as Hearn well heck he is not the devil and all promoters have an evil side but Haymon represents a ****olad of fighters and when he makes an offer people usually listen.

One last thing , per hearn he said this was PR cause they didn’t send over a contract and by sending a contract is the way that Hearn does business,yet he is about to send his second “offer “ to wilder. Why doesn’t hearn send a contract if that’s the only he does business per his own words?

[Jimmy gold]

Hearn ain’t about to let a nobody’s like wilder do him like that watch this Alabama con man slither out of the negotiations like coward fraud he papper champ he is smh

[saintpat]

In before the Wilder mentally challenged ........ GROUP !


Miller is undefeated and would be Wilders second best win.


Wilder HIMSELF has said Duhaupas was the toughest guy hes fought so far .

“That’s easy – I’ve gotta give it to a Frenchman by the name of Johann Duhaupas,” Wilder explained.

“He was the toughest. We went, I think, 11 rounds and he was taking everything. I remember in the fight, I was like ‘damn, this motherf***taking everything, he’s taking all these punches."D. Wilder


Miller just went 12rnds and didnt ever have trouble ( look at Wilders face after he fought Duhaupas ) .



Not only will Joshua continue to build on his legacy ( he actually has one ) with top guys he will do so while Wilder fights guys Joshua has ALREADY defeated .



At the end of the day ,Wilders fans should just shut up bc should the Breazeale fight take place it will be the SAME guy they called a slow fat punching bag with no skill ........


Who Joshua ALREADY defeated in his 17th fight !

Saying someone is the toughest guy you’ve fought is a completely different thing than saying he gave you your toughtest fight.

Duhaupas is tough because he absorbed a terrific amount of punishment and kept coming, just as he did against Miller. He did not win more than probably one round at most against Wilder. The facial damage came from his eye swelling from a single jab in the first round ... if you’ve watched the fight you’d know this — as with Miller, he kept trying but he wasn’t coming close to winning rounds.

[saintpat]

I’m actually glad to be having a normal discussion with someone instead of just insults and racist slurs thrown my way.

I didn’t realize that if said yes to the money without signing anything , just let the negotiations proceed from there that there is a legal binding agreement. I’m still not sure on that as I am. Or a lawyer. It just seemed that a lot of brits were saying wilder should say yes to the 12.5 million so what’s the difference?

With the money thing and Hearn wanting to know more ( even though Finkel and Haymon never screwed anyone ) just seems like and excuse. 2 weeks ago when Hearn said he wanted 50 he didn’t say he wanted 50 and proof, and upfront money and so on.

50 is more than 2x the money he has ever made , it just seems like they should have accepted then proceed forward without any commitment.

As far as Hearn well heck he is not the devil and all promoters have an evil side but Haymon represents a ****olad of fighters and when he makes an offer people usually listen.

One last thing , per hearn he said this was PR cause they didn’t send over a contract and by sending a contract is the way that Hearn does business,yet he is about to send his second “offer “ to wilder. Why doesn’t hearn send a contract if that’s the only he does business per his own words?

It’s a load of crap that saying “Yes, if you’re offering $50M we will fight for that amount” equals a binding contract. It has to be signed.

[AussieStu]

I'm really confused & don't know who is more SHOOK....hearn, Aj or the Aj "fans"????

What is ‘shook’? You mean ‘enthusiastic’?