Comments Thread For: Hearn To Team Wilder: Is a Contract & Meeting Too Much To Ask?

[Patsfan bri]

I know your american fellla.....i was actually being sarcastic because you dont seem to know how ppv works in your own country......there is no $50 million guarantee for joshua , it don't exist its kaiser sozay , harvey the rabbit and that's why they cancelled the meetimg with hearn and the contract was never sent.
Honestly fella you need to wake up and smell the coffee and admit it was a PR stunt gone wrong by wilders team.

All i know is that AJ asked for 50 million, an offer was made , it wasn’t accepted and now we are at a stand still again. Why would AJ ask for 50 million if they didn’t think wilders team couldn’t come up with it ? I will tell you why, cause AJ don’t want the fight that’s why he asked for 50 million. Heck AJ himself even said before , that he wanted to wait before fighting Wilder.

[Jsmooth9876]

I'm sorry mate, but America is a country where they force children to salute a flag in school every morning and sing to it.

Don't preach nationalism to anybody else.

Bruh, they stopped that a while back lol

[Patsfan bri]

Hearn wants to know if they have the guarantee. Wilders team won't tell them. You said earlier the guarantee come from gate/PPV so no you didn't know what a guarantee is.

He asked for it because Wilders team were saying there's 100 mil to split and Joshua/.Hearn don't believe there is. It was to shut them up.

Now they've made a offer they can't back up. An attempted PR stunt that backfired.

it clearly said in Haymons email a 50 million guaranteed. Read the email. Let me say this for the last time. Fighters get paid after the fight . You kno where the $ come new from ? The fans who already bought tickets, ordered the PPV, sponsors and so on. That’s is why Mayweather and all fighters get paid after the fight. Why can’t you understand or accept that ? And last of Hearn doesn’t think the money is their why did they ask for 50 million? Cause they don’t want the fight . It’s called pricing yourself out.

[Robbie Barrett]

it clearly said in Haymons email a 50 million guaranteed. Read the email. Let me say this for the last time. Fighters get paid after the fight . You kno where the $ come new from ? The fans who already bought tickets, ordered the PPV, sponsors and so on. That’s is why Mayweather and all fighters get paid after the fight. Why can’t you understand or accept that ? And last of Hearn doesn’t think the money is their why did they ask for 50 million? Cause they don’t want the fight . It’s called pricing yourself out.

No it doesn't you moron. Somebody fronts the money to pay the guarantees, hoping they can make it back from the gate/PPV's.

Why are you discussing something you know nothing about?

[Holler]

it clearly said in Haymons email a 50 million guaranteed. Read the email. Let me say this for the last time. Fighters get paid after the fight . You kno where the $ come new from ? The fans who already bought tickets, ordered the PPV, sponsors and so on. That’s is why Mayweather and all fighters get paid after the fight. Why can’t you understand or accept that ? And last of Hearn doesn’t think the money is their why did they ask for 50 million? Cause they don’t want the fight . It’s called pricing yourself out.

That's not what Finkel offered though. He offered a $50m guarantee against a 50/50 split. That means AJ's 50 is guaranteed regardless of if they sell 2mn ppvs or none. The money would have to be in an escrow account, just as the Povetkin money was.

In any case if they really didn't want the fight, why offer the 12.5m to Wilder? He could've accepted that and the fight would be on now. Beat AJ twice and he'd be $40m richer and be undisputed. If they really didn't want the fight they wouldn't have made the offer.

[Redgloveman]

So in short, because if Hearn agrees to 50M and 50% now, he can't back out of it later and ask for more once he learns more of the details, he is justified in not committing to the split agreement?

I've said this multiple times, Team Wilder isn't going to share their plan to generate enough to guarantee Joshua 50M until that price point and split is locked in. If they did, they would be giving away negotiating leverage.

So what happens in this meeting after Hearn asks for details Finkel isn't going to share until the money split is locked in?

If that is Finkel's standpoint then they simply aren't in a position to guarantee $50m, so the offer is unworkable from a commercial standpoint and not worth the paper it's printed on.

You can't approach a fellow businessman and say:

"I've got this great plan to raise over $50m. Agree a deal without knowing anything about it and we're all good. I can't give you any details because it'll give away negotiating leverage but it's a great deal for you, I swear"

They'll just tell you to go **** yourself, I don't care whether you're Al Haymon or the Sultan of Brunei.

[Redgloveman]

So in short, because if Hearn agrees to 50M and 50% now, he can't back out of it later and ask for more once he learns more of the details, he is justified in not committing to the split agreement?

Pretty much, seems logical enough to me. If he were to publicly agree, Finkel etc would basically have him by the balls

[The plunger man]

All i know is that AJ asked for 50 million, an offer was made , it wasn’t accepted and now we are at a stand still again. Why would AJ ask for 50 million if they didn’t think wilders team couldn’t come up with it ? I will tell you why, cause AJ don’t want the fight that’s why he asked for 50 million. Heck AJ himself even said before , that he wanted to wait before fighting Wilder.

No he didnt say he wanted to wait .....again talking waffle , unlike wilder joshua has made it a mission to collect all the belts and now he says his full attention is on wilder but it will be on his terms as the A-side which means he will choose the location and venue and he knows that fighting in the americans backyard he will get stitched up .....i can promise you $50 million with an email but it don't mean your get it.
Really fella you have to wake up this is a high stakes event and meeting in private is the only way to do it....not an email with a 24 hour deadline from wilder himself.
Don't worry the fight will happen but it will happen here where the money is guaranteed and then will see who comes out in top.
As for the moment let wilder face breazeale which he has already signed to fght.
Go see kaiser sozay or harvey the rabbit to see if they can guarantee that $50 million up front because obviously wilders team don't have it

[Redgloveman]

it clearly said in Haymons email a 50 million guaranteed. Read the email. Let me say this for the last time. Fighters get paid after the fight . You kno where the $ come new from ? The fans who already bought tickets, ordered the PPV, sponsors and so on. That’s is why Mayweather and all fighters get paid after the fight. Why can’t you understand or accept that ? And last of Hearn doesn’t think the money is their why did they ask for 50 million? Cause they don’t want the fight . It’s called pricing yourself out.

First. Haymon didn't send an email. Finkel did. That's not an arbitrary distinction because we know that Finkel almost certainly doesn't have access to that cash. Haymon has remained silent on the issue up to now. People saying "Haymon has the money so it's fine" are completely missing the point; he hasn't given any suggestion that he'd be willing to make that guarantee so it's ludicrous to just assume he will because he's a swell guy.

Second. Joshua asked for $50m to make a point; Joshua didn't say $50m or no fight so it's not an example of pricing himself out.

Third. If money is guaranteed, regardless of when the money gets paid, it needs to be evidenced ahead of the fact, not raised after the fact - otherwise you can't guarantee the money. There may very easily be a shortfall which would mean that Hearn and AJ wouldn't get the $50m which was promised. In this situation Hearn could sue for the money, but he's unlikely to want to get involved in a risky, expensive and lengthy lawsuit. Even if he were to win the suit, the money still wouldn't be guaranteed because of bankruptcy laws. So, all in all, it's much simpler to just see the money paid into an escrow account. If the money's available then just ****ing do it and put the matter to rest and you'll show Hearn who's boss. If the money's not available, then don't make an offer pledging that it is guaranteed.

If you don't know what you're saying in the first place, you probably shouldn't be using phrases like "let me say this for the last time"

[Patsfan bri]

No it doesn't you moron. Somebody fronts the money to pay the guarantees, hoping they can make it back from the gate/PPV's.

Why are you discussing something you know nothing about?

OMG , you can’t fix ******. Someone puts the money up front yet you don’t mention names . Now I know a place or venue puts money up front , you know what forget it. Like I said you can’t fix ******. On a different note I am not sure why brits keep insulting us Americans when every time their is a ********* attack in your country the US is the first one to bail you out.