I think a lot of people owe Canelo an apology

[ShoulderRoll]

All I know is that he tested positive for a banned substance and that it’s the athlete that bears sole responsibility.

Tell me how a hair sample makes him clean suddenly?

I'm not saying that he was clean.

I'm saying that it's looking more and more likely that this happened by accident and oversight.

As opposed to him deliberately and knowingly breaking the rules. As many here want to portray it as.

[Citizen Koba]

You have things slightly twisted.

The Naked Capitalist is a book by W. Cleon Skousen.

It is a summary and review of Dr. Carroll Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope."

Quigley was an Ivy League educated historian who essentially proves the existence of a world power elite operating behind the scenes. He is the one who seems sympathetic to their goals and oddly blind to the harm they are causing.

Skousen, on the other hand, gives his interpretation of the same evidence and is critical of the works of the cabal. And rightly so, I would say.

Ah.. thanks for the clarification, man. Yeah, I just kinda skimmed the review and came away with the wrong impression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Cleon_Skousen

I know I should read more stuff by folk I'm ideologically at variance with, but, man... I got better things to do with my time, even though Naked Capitalist does have me kind of intrigued.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ah.. thanks for the clarification, man. Yeah, I just kinda skimmed the review and came away with the wrong impression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Cleon_Skousen

I know I should read more stuff by folk I'm ideologically at variance with, but, man... I got better things to do with my time, even though Naked Capitalist does have me kind of intrigued.

It's worth the read.

Tragedy and Hope is over 1,100 pages long. Kind of dry and covers a ton of other material besides the world elite.

The Naked Capitalist is only 144 pages. You get all the important historical facts relevant to The Powers That Be without the extra stuff.

And it's mostly an overview of Quigley so you don't have to worry about Skousen's ideology too much.

[Gigantes]

Again, he has always said that it was from contaminated beef. Why would you need a link for that, unless the link has a video of him eating beef?

Why would he eat a steak? Because he was hungry....?


Maybe he trusted his chef who and thought clenbuterol would only be in lower quality beef, like I've heard many people here say would be the case.

Again, the point that you refuse to acknowledge, is that 2 experts and now a hair test have sided with his story. They could be wrong, sure. But on the other side, there has been no solid evidence that this was from more than beef contamination.

I'm not sure why you're so worked up about it. Let it go. He got 6 months and he'll be tested more. If you have some proof that it was from more than tainted beef, I'm sure the world would love to have it. Enlighten us!

Yea, all we got is what "he" said. Where's the proof he ate a bad piece of mexican meat. show me that.

"maybe he trusted" again, no facts. Why would he eat meat knowing the history of it being contaminated?

[travestyny]

Yea, all we got is what "he" said. Where's the proof he ate a bad piece of mexican meat. show me that.

"maybe he trusted" again, no facts. Why would he eat meat knowing the history of it being contaminated?

The proof is probably in a pile of shlt in a Mexican sewer. Feel free to go dig it up if you are so concerned.


1. Did the head of a WADA lab say that this was consistent with meat contamination? Yes or no?

2. Did two more doping experts say that this was consistent with meat contamination?

3. Did another doping expert claim that the hair test should clear him?

4. Why would he take Clenbuterol and then come off of it 2 months before the fight?

5. Where is your proof that he used Clenbuterol purposely for an advantage?


Give up, dude. He is suspended for 6 months. You act like he killed your dog, or worse.

[WhatDisButtonDo]

Compare his sample to people who actually got busted for meat(a soccer team I believe) and he had way more of it in his system.

[Gigantes]

The proof is probably in a pile of shlt in a Mexican sewer. Feel free to go dig it up if you are so concerned.


1. Did the head of a WADA lab say that this was consistent with meat contamination? Yes or no?

2. Did two more doping experts say that this was consistent with meat contamination?

3. Did another doping expert claim that the hair test should clear him?

4. Why would he take Clenbuterol and then come off of it 2 months before the fight?

5. Where is your proof that he used Clenbuterol purposely for an advantage?


Give up, dude. He is suspended for 6 months. You act like he killed your dog, or worse.

yup, no proof lmao. only oscars word lmao

look beyond the ****** headline "Promoter: Hair test shows Canelo Alvarez wasn't intentionally taking banned substance" lmao. Not someone else of note, but his PROMOTER, the cross dressing coke head

Also, it's a DIFFICULT process and lighter hair makes it even worse, and this isn't even coming from me but directly from the "article"

"We initiated the test to be as comprehensive as possible but knowing it's very difficult, according to the experts," Bennett said. "It's a difficult process to be able to confirm whether there is clenbuterol in the hair follicles, but I talked to (SMRTL president and laboratory director) Dr. (Michael) Eichner and he said they'd run the test even though it is even more difficult to run on light-colored hair."

The title of this "article", is to make idiots think Clenelo is "innocent", when in reality it's just a pathetic trick. Daggum says it best, it's all a bunch of "razzle dazzle"

Folks are claiming he's "innocent". Why? Because fishnets said so?

What is "no intention"?

Are people claiming he's innocent in not knowing he cheated?

The guy FAILED a test, he's a cheater anyway you put it.

Barry Bonds says "I didn't know I was taking steroids", so I guess he's innocent?

Pacquiao said "I don't even know what a steroid is" and people laughed at him.

so if Pacquiao got popped with steroids and said "I didn't know what I was taking" or "it was bad meat", folks would be crying another song lmao

fishnets SAID "I have the blue print for canelo to beat Floyd"-"Oscar snorting that coke again"

fishnets SAID "hairtest shows he's clean" - "Oscar is telling the truth" lmao

They didnt suspend because they thought he was purposely doping. They suspended him because Clenbuterol was in his system in the 1st place. Why are people failing to realize that?

"Clenbuterol sticks at least 20 times better to dark hair than to blonde," Detlef Thieme, director of Germany's WADA-accredited lab in Kreischa, told AP. After Ovtcharov's (table tennis) hair test was negative, it offered additional evidence that he didn't cheat. However had Ovtcharov been blonde, that result would have been "rather vague," added Thieme, whose lab performed the test.

Why didn't your punk ass answer these

If Clenelo has been "cleared",

1) why is he suspended?

2) why did he pull out of the fight?

3) why isn't he fighting to prove that he indeed ate a bad taco?

4) why did he eat a bad taco knowing the history?

5) Why didnt we know till the result came out that he was participating in hair testing ?

6) Why did his body go from flabby to no neck?

[travestyny]

yup, no proof lmao. only oscars word lmao

You blatantly ignored the part about the experts vouching for him, but ok.


What proof do you have that he purposely took Clen.? I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.

[Gigantes]

You blatantly ignored the part about the experts vouching for him, but ok.


What proof do you have that he purposely took Clen.? I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.

And you ignore as well. You didn't see that the article in itself has it being faulty, especially with light skinned hair, you ignore the post about the research, you ignore my simple questions, so bottom line, FU** YOU LMAO

[siablo14]

I tend to agree with you... I've had this discussion many times with folk who like conspiracies about the Rothschildes or various other shadowy groups, but I'm a big fan of Occams razor and you don't need that **** to explain the workings of our world. We live under an economic and political system which rewards greed and the accumulation of wealth and power beyond all other considerations be they moral, ethical or even practical matters of survival (like the destruction of the environment)... if it wasn't one family or group it'd be another. And as pointed out rather nicely by Chomsky we can scarcely call it a 'conspiracy' when the rich and powerful get together to figure out ways of getting more rich and more powerful... after all, how did they get where they were in the first place?

Red - Thank you.


ShoulderRoll, can you dig it?