Ca$hnelo is Clean. BOSS.

[Vasyl’s dad]

No dummy I said the fact he was suspended don't mean he was cheating or a dirty fighter. Try to keep up clown. Other commissions would not of suspended canelo and have not suspended other athletes for exact same issue they would of ruled whether he ate meat or intentionally took the substance before they suspend. Nevada didnt. But canelo has been cleared of the cheating claim none the less. Science all points to meat contamination not cheating for why the substance was in his system.

He hasnt been cleared, or else the suspension would be lifted. Try to keep up, clown.

[travestyny]

Nevada rushed to suspend him BEFORE the hair test results even came back. Canelo was not taking PEDs he ate contaminated meat all the evidence points to that conclusion.

And you were saying this from the beginning. Much respect to you, bro!

[Citizen Koba]

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...um_oct2017.pdf

Link to WADA themselves stating they recommend hair testing "to provide additional evidence in doping cases
of potential (clenbuterol) contaminations" for low urinary trace examples (EXACTLY what Canelo had)

WADA Report: "A proposed threshold of 1…5 pg/mg clenbuterol in hair could contribute
to discriminate most of the pending clenbuterol cases" https://t.co/perPNdOpMR@edgraney

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

WADA REPORT CONCLUSION: Clenbuterol testing in HAIR samples. "Hair Testing potentially suitable to confirm Clenbuterol Doping at low urinary concentrations!"@edgraney Hair samples should be used as an adjunctive test to urine for clenbuterol https://t.co/LgrqB0VINt

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

Yes Ed I do see a time in the near future when WADA will establish a threshold of between 2-5 pg/mg for clenbuterol in hair as an allowable limit. Above this threshold will be considered a positive doping result. Regardless of limitations. Hair is a scientifically valid sample. https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

CANELO: I've personally talked w/ the director of the Salt Lake City lab that did the Canelo hair test for clenbuterol. He is well informed in regards 2 the proper sample collection & testing procedures. Even CIR/IRMS test for testosterone has limitations & variations. https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

Yes indeed. Like Conte says - 'potentially'. The link (I was gonna say study, but it doesn't really qualify) you provide appears to be a preliminary investigation into the potential for the use of hair testing to discriminate between contamination and abuse cases - a proof of concept if you like. It does not provide the evidence required to initiate a proper testing program... in fact, having given it a brief look over it provides almost no relevant evidence at all, at least, not in any usable form. It's very odd, in fact, perhaps a power point presentation to go alongside a discussion at the symposium or something, but certainly not an actual study. More a collection of disparate examples, not involving in most cases statistically significant samples, some to do with Clenbuterol, others not.

Oh and as to this:

Link to WADA themselves stating they recommend hair testing "to provide additional evidence in doping cases
of potential (clenbuterol) contaminations" for low urinary trace examples (EXACTLY what Canelo had)

No. It does not in the conclusion or elsewhere say that WADA recommends such testing. The title of the presentation is this

Hair Testing
...to provide additional evidence in doping cases of potential (clenbuterol
) contaminations

which may have led one to come to that conclusion, however.

And this may have added to that impression.

Hair Testing potentially suitable to confirm
Clenbuterol
Doping
at
low
urinary
concentrations
!!!

Again, the kicker. Those words. potentially suitable. As in not yet.

In fact the conclusions to the presentation are fairly limited in scope and do not constitute a recommendation on the part of either the researchers or WADA itself.

Summary
•
Hair Testing lacks sensitivity but gains retrospection.
Follow up possible weeks after urine test (if hair is available)
•
(Dark) hair concentration of
clenbuterol
are comparatively well dose related.
•
High Discrimination Power between Low (5*ADI) and Hi (Abuse) cases.
•
A proposed threshold of 1...5
pg
/mg
clenbuterol
in hair could contribute
to discriminate most of the pending
clenbuterol
cases.
•
Increasing reporting levels of
clenbuterol
would cause potential disregarding
real (even excessive) cases.
•
Estimated
Clenbuterol
Contamination Dosages in high risk areas (Mexico)
correspond to administrations in the order of magnitude of 2 * ADI

One of my wide variety of ways of making money over the years has been the proof reading and fact checking of academic papers and articles for publication or qualification, and this certainly doesn't qualify as anything of the sort. I believe research is being undertaken which could turn this proof of concept (or whatever it is - I would have liked to hear the discussion which went alongside this presentation) into a viable testing regime, but that time is not yet here.

Understand, I am not saying Canelo is guilty of deliberate PED use, nor have I ever said he is based on the available evidence, I'm just pointing out the limits of the evidence we have. You, of course, should feel free to make up your own mind, butr as far as I'm concerned the negative hair sample does not constitute the definitive proof claimed by some that Canelo had not used Clenbuterol as a perfomance enhancer.

[Smash]

canelo is banned because he had banned substances in his blood, most people dont believe the meat story, thats how it is and its not going to change, there are cheaters in this sport and the only way to catch them is to force them to sign up for full vada testing

[bigdunny1]

Yes indeed. Like Conte says - 'potentially'. The link (I was gonna say study, but it doesn't really qualify) you provide appears to be a preliminary investigation into the potential for the use of hair testing to discriminate between contamination and abuse cases - a proof of concept if you like. It does not provide the evidence required to initiate a proper testing program... in fact, having given it a brief look over it provides almost no relevant evidence at all, at least, not in any usable form. It's very odd, in fact, perhaps a power point presentation to go alongside a discussion at the symposium or something, but certainly not an actual study. More a collection of disparate examples, not involving in most cases statistically significant samples, some to do with Clenbuterol, others not.

Oh and as to this:

No. It does not in the conclusion or elsewhere say that WADA recommends such testing. The title of the presentation is this which may have led one to come to that conclusion, however.

And this may have added to that impression.

Hair Testing potentially suitable to confirm
Clenbuterol
Doping
at
low
urinary
concentrations
!!!

Again, the kicker. Those words. potentially suitable. As in not yet.

In fact the conclusions to the presentation are fairly limited in scope and do not constitute a recommendation on the part of either the researchers or WADA itself.



One of my wide variety of ways of making money over the years has been the proof reading and fact checking of academic papers and articles for publication or qualification, and this certainly doesn't qualify as anything of the sort. I believe research is being undertaken which could turn this proof of concept (or whatever it is - I would have liked to hear the discussion which went alongside this presentation) into a viable testing regime, but that time is not yet here.

Understand, I am not saying Canelo is guilty of deliberate PED use, nor have I ever said he is based on the available evidence, I'm just pointing out the limits of the evidence we have. You, of course, should feel free to make up your own mind, butr as far as I'm concerned the negative hair sample does not constitute the definitive proof claimed by some that Canelo had not used Clenbuterol as a perfomance enhancer.

We are now splitting hairs it literally says in the summary/conclusion that that they propose using hair tests and including a acceptable threshold for the amount of clenbuterol you have in your system for meat that would exclude REAL levels.

•A proposed threshold of 1...5 pg/mg clenbuterol in hair could contribute to discriminate most of the pending clenbuterol cases.
•Increasing reporting levels of clenbuterol would cause potential disregarding real (even excessive) cases.
•Estimated Clenbuterol Contamination Dosages in high risk areas (Mexico) correspond to administrations in the order of magnitude of 2 * ADI.

Simple question based on the data that has been released and the science is it MORE likely that canelo ate meat that triggered these results OR that he was taking PEDs? So far this not a shred of evidence that points to PEDs and yet his urine levels are consistent with meat contamination and his hair tests show no PED use and came back exactly what you would expect from someone who ate meat. And experts not you or me are all backing Canelo's story based on the science.

CANELO: I predict hair testing for clenbuterol will be implemented by WADA in the not too distant future. Uninformed scribes that are attacking hair testing do not seem to understand that many WADA tests have limitations & variations w/ allowable limits arbitrarily established. https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

[Jubei]

How can a grown man be so pathetic and make comments like this? Specially after Canelo got suspended and ruined the biggest boxing weekend of the year for all of us boxing fans. Specially when Canelo is still not signed up to year round testing.

Ah nevermind, you are not a fan, you are just a degenerate troll.

[Citizen Koba]

We are now splitting hairs it literally says in the summary/conclusion that that they propose using hair tests and including a acceptable threshold for the amount of clenbuterol you have in your system for meat that would exclude REAL levels.

•A proposed threshold of 1...5 pg/mg clenbuterol in hair could contribute to discriminate most of the pending clenbuterol cases.
•Increasing reporting levels of clenbuterol would cause potential disregarding real (even excessive) cases.
•Estimated Clenbuterol Contamination Dosages in high risk areas (Mexico) correspond to administrations in the order of magnitude of 2 * ADI.

Again. Could. Proposed. Estimated I'm not sure you quite understand what you're looking at here. This isn't a recommendation from WADA, this appears to be a presentation to a WADA symposium talking about the possibility of instigating a hair testing policy following further research.

It could be that in the fullness of time hair testing becomes a reliable and consistent method of discrimination between contamination and deliberate use, but what is abundantly clear is that that time is not yet here cos the necessary level of research has not yet been done. That ain't splitting hairs, man.

And your simple question? My answer is the same as I've always maintained. I don't know, and 'based on the science' neither does anyone else if they're honest - at least based on all the research that's been produced to date.

[stealthradon]

Again. Could. Proposed. Estimated I'm not sure you quite understand what you're looking at here. This isn't a recommendation from WADA, this is a presentation to a WADA symposium talking about the possibility of instigating a hair testing policy following further research.

It could be that in the fullness of time hair testing becomes a reliable and consistent method of discrimination between contamination and deliberate use, but what is abundantly clear is that that time is not yet here cos the necessary level of research has not yet been done. That ain't splitting hairs, man.

And your simple question? My answer is the same as I've always maintained. I don't know, and 'based on the science' neither does anyone else if they're honest - at least based on all the research that's been produced to date.

And I think every single scientist worth their salt would agree that a sample 3 weeks out of date is beyond worthless.

[bigdunny1]

Again. Could. Proposed. Estimated I'm not sure you quite understand what you're looking at here. This isn't a recommendation from WADA, this appears to be a presentation to a WADA symposium talking about the possibility of instigating a hair testing policy following further research.

It could be that in the fullness of time hair testing becomes a reliable and consistent method of discrimination between contamination and deliberate use, but what is abundantly clear is that that time is not yet here cos the necessary level of research has not yet been done. That ain't splitting hairs, man.

And your simple question? My answer is the same as I've always maintained. I don't know, and 'based on the science' neither does anyone else if they're honest - at least based on all the research that's been produced to date.

stop sitting on the fence and answer the question again based on the data what is more likely? Because we don't know and probably will never 100% know and by the way that is true for all drug testing and variations it's never 100%. But what is more likely? Because not a single shred of evidence says he took PEDs. again urine levels extremely low consistent to what they classify as meat contamination for athletes that live or come in contact with meat in contaminated countries (which Mexico is). Hair test that show no traces of the substance which is exactly why they are proposing to using hair tests because of the high accuracy of distinguishing between PED use and acceptable low levels from meat contamination. The combination of the 2 tests and the levels/results make it far more likely that it was always meat contamination and not PED use. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

I'm not a expert but I lean on what the experts say and Victor Conte is a expert and he cited a WADA report with a conclusion proposing the use hair samples in low urinary cases which is what Canelo's case was.

WADA REPORT CONCLUSION: Clenbuterol testing in HAIR samples. "Hair Testing potentially suitable to confirm Clenbuterol Doping at low urinary concentrations!"@edgraney Hair samples should be used as an adjunctive test to urine for clenbuterol https://t.co/LgrqB0VINt

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

CANELO: Hair & Urine testing 4 clenbuterol provide different types of info. Urine is recent two weeks exposure. Hair can be from a month up to six months or longer back. If you are trying to determine "intent to cheat" or abuse then hair is a better sample than urine.@edgraney https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p

— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

[Cleto_Reyes]

Cleanelo! Haters will hate and call him a cheater but hair follicle test dont lie. Take that Golovatards