Newbie Question about Boxing

[JohnP2]

I am new to boxing, so forgive the ignorant question. However, I keep reading how these people in Great Britain claim "The U.K. is the "mecca" of boxing...and the U.K. "runs boxing".

This was certainly news to me. I'm curious how that is when:
1. More people attend boxing events each year in the US compared to the UK (per Statista's Global Gate Revenue report)

2. There are more TV viewers each year for US events compared to the UK events (per Nielsen ratings and BARB, respectively)

3. The US fighters currently hold 18 world championship belts, compared to the UK's 9.

4. There are 36 US fighters ranked in the top 10 of their respective divisions, compared to the UK's 23 (per ******)

5. Historically, the US has had ~6x the number of world champions compared to the UK (six TIMES)

6. In head-to-head matchups, the US leads the UK (since 1946 anyway).

7. And finally, mega fights make more money in the US than the the UK...including Wilder vs AJ (seems even Edward Hearn concedes to this (https://********/y1HGQBHpWMk?t=5m58s).

So when people in the UK claim they "run boxing"...what exactly do they mean? Once again, perhaps I'm missing something?

Thank you in advance!

[rolshans]

A lot of people say it's because the UK has the biggest name in boxing. But quite frankly, I think Canelo's more popular. And then there's GGG, of course.

So I'm not sure if the UK is the Mecca. It's either between them, Mexico or Kazakhstan.

[chrisJS]

It has about 1/6th the population so pound for pound it's doing stronger in Britain as it is here but overall everyone knows America is where the majority of world class boxing goes down. It's also why so many foreign fighters base themselves here.

I think the average medium to big sized event in England draws a bigger gate in addition to a higher % of the population in the country by far is tuning in. I think if it wasn't for the Hispanic fan base in America the sport would be in a very bad place.

[_Rexy_]

Canada is actually the mecca of boxing, which is why you don't know of any Canadian boxers (think about it. Every "Canadian boxer" was born somewhere else)

the boxing program up here is very secretive, we train for 10 months on, 2 months off. We fight 15 rounds of 5 minutes each. 5 weight classes, 6oz gloves. Many of us died in the ring. The few that didn't don't like to talk about it.

[yammy25]

New to boxing... Joined in November 2015. Goes on to make a thread about USA Vs UK without using any population factors.

Tell me... On average over the last two years. What country had sold more PPV's for fights ?
Take Joshua out of the equation.

You still have
Haye Vs Bellew.. did huge ppv
Brook Vs golovkin.. did huge ppv
Brook Vs Spence .. did huge ppv

Can you show me a fight outside of Mayweather or Canelo that was held in the US in the last two years that outdid those fights in the USA for ppv?

The UK.. outside of the mega mega fight in Vegas.. is where everybody gets paid.

[A.K]

A lot of people say it's because the UK has the biggest name in boxing. But quite frankly, I think Canelo's more popular. And then there's GGG, of course.

So I'm not sure if the UK is the Mecca. It's either between them, Mexico or Kazakhstan.

Ggg is american he lives and trains in California and is the poster boy for “Mexican style”

[Redd Foxx]

They do that. They are mad shyt talkers and run their mouths about everything before it happens, because if they bragged about what "they" actually achieved, they wouldn't have much to show for.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

It has about 1/6th the population so pound for pound it's doing stronger in Britain as it is here but overall everyone knows America is where the majority of world class boxing goes down. It's also why so many foreign fighters base themselves here.

I think the average medium to big sized event in England draws a bigger gate in addition to a higher % of the population in the country by far is tuning in. I think if it wasn't for the Hispanic fan base in America the sport would be in a very bad place.

Agree with this

FWIW, I always think of Las Vegas as being the home of the biggest fights (along with maybe Atlantic City back in the day)

Boxing runs deeper in the veins of UK society, than in the USA, I believe. There is greater public support, ratio-wise, for the 'noble craft', definitely...

[PsychoPat]

I am new to boxing, so forgive the ignorant question. However, I keep reading how these people in Great Britain claim "The U.K. is the "mecca" of boxing...and the U.K. "runs boxing".

This was certainly news to me. I'm curious how that is when:
1. More people attend boxing events each year in the US compared to the UK (per Statista's Global Gate Revenue report)

2. There are more TV viewers each year for US events compared to the UK events (per Nielsen ratings and BARB, respectively)

3. The US fighters currently hold 18 world championship belts, compared to the UK's 9.

4. There are 36 US fighters ranked in the top 10 of their respective divisions, compared to the UK's 23 (per ******)

5. Historically, the US has had ~6x the number of world champions compared to the UK (six TIMES)

6. In head-to-head matchups, the US leads the UK (since 1946 anyway).

7. And finally, mega fights make more money in the US than the the UK...including Wilder vs AJ (seems even Edward Hearn concedes to this (https://********/y1HGQBHpWMk?t=5m58s).

So when people in the UK claim they "run boxing"...what exactly do they mean? Once again, perhaps I'm missing something?

Thank you in advance!

Hello mate, I got a quick question for you. How many bits of lego can Oscar delahoya stick up his arse?

[Chrismart]

I'm not trying to be an arse or anything but I actually noticed this the other week and I'm a little confused.
Are you new to boxing or not?

He's the most dangerous heavyweight I've seen since Tyson, I know that. And I come from the 70's...I've seen them all since. The fact he is about to go over there and take belts after the shenanigans from last Saturday tells you all you need to know, IMO.

He's coming there for one thing and that is to knock AJ out just like he has with every other single fighter he has punched in professional boxing. Man I cannot wait. The US will have the undisputed heavyweight champion once again, and all is right with boxing. #you'll_see

I am fascinated at the new breed of UK boxing fans. I worked in this sport for nearly 20 years, and spent a portion of it in Belfast and London. This is late 80s. Back then the UK fans were great. Your typical hardcore, cigar-smoking, Guinness-drinking, TRUE fan who went to the weekly fights at the local 'leisure centre'.
Fast forward ~30 years and it has completely changed. My last fight there was Sheffield (Spence vs Brook) and it was mainly the whine and cheese, there to be seen, "hi we want to be the center of attention" type crowd. FEW of them knew their boxing history and it's become more of the "in" thing. London is worse.

It's natural, I suppose. Their country gets a new superstar, so you all these Zinfandel drinking yuppies, hosting dinner-parties while "the big AJ fight" plays in the background (although most of them have not watched more than a few fights in their lives).

After a few drinks they start feeling themselves then jump online and thump their chests about how "the UK rules boxing". That's been my experience, anyway.

I am new to boxing, but based on what I've seen it appears that Anthony Joshua doesn't want to fight Deontay Wilder. I heard AJ say recently he is afraid to lose. Is that why he doesn't want to fight Wilder?

IMHO, AJ should fight Wilder even if he might lose. I respect Wilder more because he believes there should only be one champion and has been begging to fight Joshua.

Can anyone tell me why AJ is scared to lose?

Thank you for your responses!

I am new to boxing, but it seemed like every time Parker started beating AJ up, the referee stopped it. Also, one time Parker clearly hurt AJ and the referee called time out. Is that allowed?

I am new to boxing, but based on what I seem it seems as though Deontay Wilder will beat all heavyweights. I agree with Mr. Fury.

I'm new to boxing but based on everything I've seen it looks like AJ is afraid to fight Wilder. Does anyone know why that is? I heard him say once he is afraid to lose. Is that why the UK fans don't want him to fight Wilder? Are they afraid Wilder will knock AJ out? Thank you in advance for your response.

Both these guys are ho's, but Briggs more so. Way back in the day (early 90's) we used to look at Briggs as kind of a bit*ch. I know a lot of people think he is funny and gravitate toward his whole 'Let's go champ' bit...but I'm telling you this dude is shady AF. He and Fury were cool just a few months ago, so either Briggs is showing what a pr*ck he is, or he is fabricating beef. Either way it's some ho ****.

He's a quitter. I thought that when it happened (I watched it live) and think it now. For some reason, Duran has become overrated AF as time has passed. He was never all that...certainly not IMO. Listen, there people who know boxing a lot more than I do who rave about Duran...but I never liked him. In or out the ring.

I was with the Stevie Cruz camp when he beat Barry McGuigan for the WBA 126 belt in 86. Stevie came on hella strong at the end and did what we knew he was capable of. (He actually was a replacement for Fernando Sosa.) That is one of my favorites.

In my 40+ years of watching boxing, no fighter has ever, and I mean EVER talked more **** and delivered so little than this McConner guy. **** him.

As someone who did consulting work for casinos back in the day when it came to boxing odds, I can tell you that 100% of the lines are based on "public perception". In a nutshell, casinos want to break even. Ideally 50% of the public bets on one fighter and 50% on the other. In this scenario, they have a 100% profit from the vigorish (juice). It's psuedo para-mutual wagering. The way it works is they set and initial money line for which they feel will be the safest. Then, based on how people are wagering, they will move the line to keep it as even as possible.

Finally, remember, these casinos know their ****. They hire people to give them the insight needed to set the initial line. I know I'm swaying from the topic at hand, but my advice for anyone wanting to bet on boxing (making serious plays) is to focus on the smaller, more discreet fights as as there is less activity and you have a better chance of catching them 'slipping' on the initial money line. My overall advice is not to really bet at all though, as there's an old saying "Vegas was not built on winners."

QUESTION OF THE DAY

Who is the one fighter (other than Ali) you would never bet against if he were underdog? I thought long and hard about it, but I would say Nigel Benn. Full disclosure, I am a Eubank fan. I first saw him when he tore through this Spanish Harlem tourney back in the day no one knew who is was....other than he wasn't from that neighborhood. But he got down.
Regardless, Benn is one of the most intense boxers of the past 50 years, IMO. I know there have been some intense guys, but he's one full throttle, tough son-of-a-*****. He truly enjoys violence.

I am new to boxing, so forgive the ignorant question. However, I keep reading how these people in Great Britain claim "The U.K. is the "mecca" of boxing...and the U.K. "runs boxing".

This was certainly news to me. I'm curious how that is when:
1. More people attend boxing events each year in the US compared to the UK (per Statista's Global Gate Revenue report)

2. There are more TV viewers each year for US events compared to the UK events (per Nielsen ratings and BARB, respectively)

3. The US fighters currently hold 18 world championship belts, compared to the UK's 9.

4. There are 36 US fighters ranked in the top 10 of their respective divisions, compared to the UK's 23 (per ******)

5. Historically, the US has had ~6x the number of world champions compared to the UK (six TIMES)

6. In head-to-head matchups, the US leads the UK (since 1946 anyway).

7. And finally, mega fights make more money in the US than the the UK...including Wilder vs AJ (seems even Edward Hearn concedes to this (https://********/y1HGQBHpWMk?t=5m58s).

So when people in the UK claim they "run boxing"...what exactly do they mean? Once again, perhaps I'm missing something?

Thank you in advance!