WBC ordered a new final eliminator because Wilder has agreed to fight Breazele

[chrisJS]

the major problem with your premise is that wilder is one of the most popular american boxers and is showtime's biggest ratings draw. he's the #1 fighter on the #1 boxing network. he's on a major reality show. he has a larger fan base than pretty much any american fighter.

so when you say he barely has any fans, despite having more fans than everybody else, you look foolish.

Ok, Wilder is the best and most popular boxer around now. I've heard it all.

Don't Showtime cards still pull in less views than HBO and ESPN cards? So how is it "the #1 network"? Is that your subjective view not based on subscribers and viewers?

Also Wilder drawing more views than Spence for example doesn't mean he's better. That's like saying there's no boxer alive better than Canelo or Joshua based on the viewing numbers and gates.

[Holler]

If he's going to refuse 6x his career high payday against Joshua I really think Whyte is a better fight than Brezeale. It pays probably 3 or 4x more and is against a better opponent. I've never understood the avoidance of Whyte who is very average. $7m is a great payday for such a bout.

The only explanation that stacks up is that they view him as a risk they don't want to take. Look at his record since he got the belt. They don't take any risk they're not forced into.

[N/A]

Ok, Wilder is the best and most popular boxer around now. I've heard it all.

One of the most popular American boxers, if not the most popular. That doesn't mean there aren't boxers from other countries that are more popular. Boxing is a fringe sport in the United States. There are plenty of non-American boxers that are more popular than Wilder, but what sense does it make to say he has no fans when he clearly has more fans than pretty much any American boxer?

Don't Showtime cards still pull in less views than HBO and ESPN cards? So how is it "the #1 network"? Is that your subjective view not based on subscribers and viewers?

Yes it is an opinion that Showtime is America's #1 boxing network, but very few unbiased observers would dispute the fact that Showtime is airing more big fights than any other network in this country. It's not even close.

HBO has more subscribers than Showtime, so their boxing telecasts have an unfair advantage when comparing viewership, but another factor is Showtime allowing streaming of their fights, despite those viewers not being counted by Nielsen, while HBO doesn't allow streaming that isn't counted by Nielsen. So that makes the HBO & Showtime numbers extremely misleading.

Also Wilder drawing more views than Spence for example doesn't mean he's better. That's like saying there's no boxer alive better than Canelo or Joshua based on the viewing numbers and gates.

All I said was that Wilder is more popular.

But in terms of who is the better boxer, obviously it's Wilder as he would destroy Spence. That's why we have weight classes. If you think Spence is better "pound for pound," that's your opinion and I have no problem with it.

[nixxter]

Uhhhh Hearn controls the A-side and Hearn said the fight makes more sense after they each have interim fights. How exactly is Wilder supposed to force AJ to fight him?

Who has been talking non-stop about wanting to fight Joshua and unify for the past year or so and at the same time doing absolutely nothing to actually try to unify or make the AJ fight happen? And who did actually unify and gather the rest of the belts and tried and is trying to make the Joshua-Wilder fight happen?

Did team Wilder go the UK to try to negotiate the fight or have they even approached Hearn to discuss the fight? It was Eddie and Barrie, those supposed to be ducking, who went to US to have discussions with Wilder's team, who supposedly badly want the fight. After Wilder said 50:50 or no fight he was simply ignored and rightly so. Parker did actually want the fight, he was reasonable and he ended up fighting Joshua next.

Who's recently made a substantial initial offer trying again to make the fight and who hasn't been heard from for 2 weeks? Who has a Joshua leftover lined up next for a fraction of the money he is being offered for the fight he so much wants?

Wilder doesn't have to force anything. All he has to do is be reasonable and the fight will be (and could have been) sealed very quickly. Hooting and hollering all the time about how much you want a fight and at the same time asking 10x your highest payday to actually take the fight is not gonna get you anywhere.

If you want a fight you make the fight. It's as simple as that in the end. Wilder doesn't really want it and never did. Unless it's for a ridiculous amount of money, which both he and his team know very well he does not deserve and will not get.

[Raggamuffin]

Today is a glorious day for team Wilder and the WBC. They are making Anthony fight Wilder or he will duck him to fight Headvetkin. Now to Thursday. If Anthony and Edward don’t make the Wilder fight I will exorcise them from the boxing world.

[N/A]

Who has been talking non-stop about wanting to fight Joshua and unify for the past year or so and at the same time doing absolutely nothing to actually try to unify or make the AJ fight happen?

There's nothing Wilder can do to make the AJ fight happen other than put public pressure on him. Which is why Wilder made a voluntary defense against the most feared fighter in the division, in the hopes that a victory would increase demand for an AJ fight.

Did team Wilder go the UK to try to negotiate the fight or have they even approached Hearn to discuss the fight?

Finkel has approached Hearn several times.

It was Eddie and Barrie, those supposed to be ducking, who went to US to have discussions with Wilder's team

Because when you have the A-side, you get to dictate when and where the meetings will be.

Who's recently made a substantial initial offer trying again to make the fight

Might as well stop right there. You're a fan. Not a promoter. A flat offer like that is not a real offer. It's for show. To trick fans like you. Listen, enjoy the fights. Root for whoever you root for. But stop thinking that being a boxing fan means you have any idea how this business operates. Flat fees for a fight that big are a publicity stunt. Plain and simple. I know for you $12 million would be a lot of money. For me, $12 million would be a lot of money. But that doesn't mean it was a fair or legitimate offer. I don't expect you to understand that, so this is a waste of time. Take care.

[LacedUp]

Spence had to fight a couple of eliminators in order to become the mandatory for Brook. Orgs change their crap up all the time.

If the Breazele fight is signed though it's not going to be a good look for Wilder. I'll wait til it all comes out.

Spence breezed his way to Brook let's be honest. His last fight was Leonard Bundu.

Not really comparable.

[LacedUp]

This is how you twist and turn lmao. But you’re not escaping this one patna lol lol...

Oh don’t worry. Haymon and Wilder will give Breazeale stepaside money in order to face Anthony. Thursday is D-Day for Anthony on whether he is relative to the sport anymore. Otherwise he can rot in the U.K. Stiff stoic speak and spell ass.

They better do.

Otherwise it'll be Alabama chicken for the rest of his life.

[LacedUp]

You do know that Al Haymond advises both Deontay and Breazeale right? why fight eliminators when there's a chance that you can fight for the title in a voluntary? you would be ****** to not be patient and wait how things turn out -- and given that Haymon is involved in negotiations l think Dominic has reliable information that may lead him to step aside ; not that it was the 'Plan' the way you are trying to put it.

Also Deontay has a list of other easier fighters he can fight if hes about cherry-picking, that Polish-kid Cow-Naki, Charles Martin, Amir Mounsour etc. Wilder doesn't have to face his mandatory yet.

What I'm saying its chess not checkers son, there are options when you are on the winning team baby! Al Haymon is working like the BOSS he is ; I'm sorry Dillian Shyte has a lame promoter than cant do **** for him BWAHAHAHA!!!

It's chess not checkers son

Oh my god, the ultimate line to hide up a career long bum run.

[Rip Chudd]

Spence breezed his way to Brook let's be honest. His last fight was Leonard Bundu.

Not really comparable.

His last fight was Bundu cause the guys like Ocampo and others ranked high on the IBF list didn't want to fight Spence. C'mon Laced, you know this. Point is, he fought a few eliminators in order to become mandatory