So are all Mexican fighters not allowed to eat beef anymore?

[bballchump11]

I know Canelo has the money and resources to avoid consuming tainted meat. But what about the lower fighters who might get tested, but only make up to 10K per fight?

Is it fair to ask them to import their beef or move their training camps to another country? Then if they're getting tested year round, they can't eat beef again?

I think that's incredibly unfair to ask of a whole country. Especially a country the size of Mexico.

Here's how the UFC handles the situation

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/3/3...ed-failed-test

Several UFC athletes have tested positive for Clenbuterol, and where those athletes have shown they were in a region with issues of contaminated meat, and where they had results consistent with contaminated meat, they received a finding of “no fault.”

A “no fault” finding essentially means the incident is not treated as a positive test at all, and no punishment is given. Brandon Moreno’s case, Li Jingliang’s case, Ning Guangyou’s case and others all ended with a finding of “no fault.” Absent any evidence that Canelo is lying, he would almost certainly have received the same result if the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) was handling his case.

[bballchump11]

To make things worse, China has this issue also. So a country of over 1.5 billion people aren't allowed to eat beef?

https://www.usada.org/clenbuterol-and-meat-contamination/

Clenbuterol and Meat Contamination
Further, there have been reports of clenbuterol use to promote growth in livestock, including cattle, lamb, poultry and swine. Such use is illegal in the U.S. and in Europe.

Consistent with numerous prior reported cases globally, the issue of illicit administration of clenbuterol to animals destined for food production can result in, under specific conditions, a positive sample from an athlete. WADA has issued specific warnings about this problem in China and Mexico. Unfortunately, anti-doping authorities have no control over agricultural and food safety practices in these countries, and inadvertent ingestion remains an ongoing issue for athletes.

[_Maxi]

In the case of Canelo the problem is he had two failed tests and the first one had 10 times the amount of the second one.

[Ray*]

Fish is good for camp.

[Redd Foxx]

It's a tough thing because it is a big issue down there and something I was aware of well before last month. People who just want to bash Canelo are going to try to distract from the subject here but if we want to be truthful, it would be best for Mexican athletes to either eat imported meat, or avoid it altogether during periods open to testing.

Also, clen is sometimes used when raising pork as well.

[Citizen Koba]

I know Canelo has the money and resources to avoid consuming tainted meat. But what about the lower fighters who might get tested, but only make up to 10K per fight?

Is it fair to ask them to import their beef or move their training camps to another country? Then if they're getting tested year round, they can't eat beef again?

I think that's incredibly unfair to ask of a whole country. Especially a country the size of Mexico.

Here's how the UFC handles the situation

It's only being asked of the Top 15 fighters in the WBC rankings of each division, not a whole country. And yes. Athletes in every other sport are expected to be responsible for checking the sports drinks, dietary supplements, medications and everything else they may put in their body. Why should Mexicans get a pass when it's abundantly clear that the issue of tainted meat can easily be used as an excuse for genuine PED use?

It may not be the fault of Mexican athletes - including boxers - that their country's meat production is as dodgy as hell, but neither is it the fault of the boxers who may need to face them across the ring. It is a known problem, and athletes in other fields work around such limitations too. Maybe they should consider putting pressure on the government to tighten up regulation of meat production if they consider it so unfair.

[bballchump11]

In the case of Canelo the problem is he had two failed tests and the first one had 10 times the amount of the second one.

Yes because of Clenbutreol's half life is very short. The first failed test was February 17th and the second was on February 20th. The second test was lower because it was leaving his system at that point. Nothing out of the norm there.

[bballchump11]

It's only being asked of the Top 15 fighters in the WBC rankings of each division, not a whole country. And yes. Athletes in every other sport are expected to be responsible for checking the sports drinks, dietary supplements, medications and everything else they may put in their body. Why should Mexicans get a pass when it's abundantly clear that the issue of tainted meat can easily be used as an excuse for genuine PED use?

It may not be the fault of Mexican athletes - including boxers - that their country's meat production is as dodgy as hell, but neither is it the fault of the boxers who may need to face them across the ring. It is a known problem, and athletes in other fields work around such limitations too. Maybe they should consider putting pressure on the government to tighten up regulation of meat production if they consider it so unfair.

That's ultimately what my stance on it is in bold.

[Street15]

Yes because of Clenbutreol's half life is very short. The first failed test was February 17th and the second was on February 20th. The second test was lower because it was leaving his system at that point. Nothing out of the norm there.

Correct. But that doesn't prove it was meat contamination. What if they were able to test him on the Feb 14th and Feb 11th and Feb 8th. I say that to say this: those who defend Canelo assume his Feb 17th numbers of .6 - .8 is where it all started. We'll never know what his numbers were before that.

[Citizen Koba]

Yes because of Clenbutreol's half life is very short. The first failed test was February 17th and the second was on February 20th. The second test was lower because it was leaving his system at that point. Nothing out of the norm there.

There is a slight curiosity I noticed which has never been addressed elsewhere to my knowledge. It may mean nothing or it may - circumstantially - point to Canelo having attempted to flush his system following the first test. Honestly I don't know enough about the pharmacokinetics of Clenbuterol in humans to be sure but given the accepted half life of Clenbuterol of around 36 hours we could expect the urine concentration to have reduced to 1/4 of it's initial level in the 3 days (72 hours or 2 half-lives) between the tests. Instead it had reduced to 1/10. I know there is some variability in elimination rates between individuals, but that seems to me like an excessively large difference... again, it may be nothing though.