Why do Wilder fans justify Wilder rejecting $12.5 million offer from AJ?

[bluebeam]

Wilder has had a flat fee for every fight of his career.

So did Golovkin. and he still got a percentage against canelo.

[juandabomb]

simple, it takes 2 fighters to generate buzz. buzz generates money. percentage factor will make more money than 12.5 million. simply put even if wilder takes 30 percent this can easily be triple the 12.5 million.

[Raggamuffin]

simple, it takes 2 fighters to generate buzz. buzz generates money. percentage factor will make more money than 12.5 million. simply put even if wilder takes 30 percent this can easily be triple the 12.5 million.

Well said.

[Redd Foxx]

Pac made 20 million+ each fight while Wilder makes 2 million. The 40 million wasn't even twice what manny makes each fight while WIlder gets paid 6 times his career high payday. In no way shape or form is it similar.

You need to read the figures again. You didn't even get the facts correct. Beyond which, you're missing the point entirely. There's a reason so many professionals and writers call the flat offer to be a duck, just like they did in the Gg/Canelo fight.

[Superbee]

I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well;
"...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.

Pacquiao had the resume to back up his claim... Wilder has only Ortiz... BTW Ortiz took up the fight for $500,000... Wilder would prove himself taking the 12M and negotiating a small PPV %... That's the most he deserves with his resume.... Jennifer's "fame" relies mainly on her big mouth...

[uppercut510]

hearn knows what he was doing, hes a promoter so im not mad at him, he knew that flat rate to a champion was BS... the only issue I had was the take it or leave it, 48 hours. I just think they should negotiate as they have done all their other fights, not offer a flat rate. They negotiated damn near 2 months with parker and reached a deal, do the same here. whatever they work out is between them I just want to see the fight but im 98% sure its not happening next

[Redd Foxx]

Pacquiao had the resume to back up his claim... Wilder has only Ortiz... BTW Ortiz took up the fight for $500,000... Wilder would prove himself taking the 12M and negotiating a small PPV %... That's the most he deserves with his resume.... Jennifer's "fame" relies mainly on her big mouth...

You're missing the point. Negotiating deals like this is not about what one has made in the past. Same as with GG/Canelo. It's about what the fight will generate. There's a reason professional business men negotiate these things and not idiot boxers and equally ****** fans. AJ paid Parker 30%, yet AJ fans can't come to terms with the idea that they would possibly pay Wilder more. Why is that? Because you guys are loyal fans who think you need to serve these athletes for some reason.

[Holler]

simple, it takes 2 fighters to generate buzz. buzz generates money. percentage factor will make more money than 12.5 million. simply put even if wilder takes 30 percent this can easily be triple the 12.5 million.

Hearn says that the flat rate offered to Wilder equates to 35% if the fight underperforms expectations and could drop to 25% if it exceeds them. So if we believe him he's effectively offered Wilder 30% but with no upside/downside risk/reward. For you to be right on the triple 12.5 figure he'll have to be very, very, off on those projections.

[Redd Foxx]

Hearn says that the flat rate offered to Wilder equates to 35% if the fight underperforms expectations and could drop to 25% if it exceeds them. So if we believe him he's effectively offered Wilder 30% but with no upside/downside risk/reward. For you to be right on the triple 12.5 figure he'll have to be very, very, off on those projections.

Lol, why would you use Hearn's projected figure (of all people) rather than anyone else in the industry who has projected for this fight?
That's like buying a used car and letting the salesman tell you what the blue book value is, based on his opinion.
FFS people...

[Holler]

Lol, why would you use Hearn's projected figure (of all people) rather than anyone else in the industry who has projected for this fight?
That's like buying a used car and letting the salesman tell you what the blue book value is, based on his opinion.
FFS people...

Because Hearn is the one who is making actual offers involving real money to people. Offers which if they accept he'll be contractually obliged to fulfill.

As opposed to random people across the US boxing scene who casually throw figures into the mix without any detailed analytics to back them up.

But if you have plausible, well grounded alternative figures why not share them?