Will Deontay Wilder break the mystical 50-0 record?

[sotgoda]

What makes it a 50-50 fight is that AJ has a big weight advantage and is the much bigger commercial property. Wilder has a tendency to give away rounds, AJ has a tendency (like most top superstars) of being given some rounds he doesn't deserve, and that combination makes winning a decision difficult for Wilder.

Your point makes perfect sense. I see where you are coming from now. The minor issue I have with your premise (which is quite probable) is that I don't see this ever going to a decision. Wilder does give away rounds but he eventually finds the opponent.

It is true that AJ has been gifted rounds due to location and commercial value. I just don't think this will matter against Wilder. The latter will find and finish AJ. I don't see this fight going past 6 rounds.

Also, weight will not matter in my opinion. Wilder has great upper body strength - see how he throws folk off him. E.g. Duhuapas, Ortiz. I don't see AJ being able to use his weight against Wilder. Wilder also drops them boys despite the 30 pound difference. It has happened numerous times.

Ultimately, I want to see the fight. That's really all that matters. I believe you and I completely agree on this. Left to me, I will eliminate all these belts and just come up with a ranking strategy that might work. We don't need 10 heavyweight champions

[Dolor]

Here is where we disagree, bro. AJ's biggest advantage over Wilder is in technique. Everything else Wilder does better (save for the upper cut - AJ's strongest punch). Wilder has the best right hand, better jab, better stamina, better speed, more power, better movement, pivots well, can fight on both front and back foot. What makes it a 50-50 fight then? Wilder wins both in convincing fashion. Hope AJ mans up to fight Wilder. That's the delay. Not sure AJ is in the top 2 - can he beat Ortiz? I am not sure of that.

Fury-Wilder seems the trickier fight if Fury is able to find himself albeit not as likely. Even then, Wilder needs one punch to erase Fury over 36 minutes while both guys are awkward too.

Better right hand: agreed
Better stamina: agreed
Better speed: agreed

Better movement: not necessarily, as movement also has to do with balance. Wilder is vulnerable when off balance, and a smart opponent will capitalize on that.

Better power: apart from the right hand? What makes you think that?

Better jab: based on which fight? Wilder's jab looked good against a slow Stiverne, but not so much against Ortiz.

Fighting on the back foot: when did Wilder really need to do that? Against Ortiz maybe, with mixed success.

Regarding Fury, I agree. I would still favour Fury a bit, because of the size and reach advantage, and the phenomenal head movement for a man of his size. IF he is back in shape, which I am not sure about.

[Rockin']

Very possible he does so. And if he beats Joshua and Fury, he should be ranked as a top 10 atg heavyweight.

Seriously?

[sotgoda]

Better movement: not necessarily, as movement also has to do with balance. Wilder is vulnerable when off balance, and a smart opponent will capitalize on that.

Better power: apart from the right hand? What makes you think that?

Better jab: based on which fight? Wilder's jab looked good against a slow Stiverne, but not so much against Ortiz.

Fighting on the back foot: when did Wilder really need to do that? Against Ortiz maybe, with mixed success.

Regarding Fury, I agree. I would still favour Fury a bit, because of the size and reach advantage, and the phenomenal head movement for a man of his size. IF he is back in shape, which I am not sure about.

Great response from you. I will address a few of the items you raised.

Movement - my point here is not about whether he looks clumsy or off balance. My point here is focused on the following: pivoting, ability to move left and right easily when being followed by an opponent, head movement (up, down, left, right) and explosiveness. On the explosiveness, Wilder catches opponents off guard by moving slowly and then suddenly jumping at them. He is also able to dart out of trouble with that same movement. You can watch his recent fights to see that. Even against Ortiz - the Cuban expert had problem getting on the inside against Wilder.

Jab - I have seen Wilder dominate fights with his jab. The fight that comes into mind the most is the Arreola fight where Wilder broke his hand or came in with injuries. He still used his jab to keep him at bay the whole fight. In Wilder's recent fights, he has been throwing the jab with more snap and authority. I know there were some difficulties against Ortiz due to the latter being a lefty and trying to counter Wilder's jab. Even then, Wilder out-jabbed him despite not throwing as much.

Backfoot fighting - Wilder is one of the top 2 at this of my rated big 5 (i.e. Parker, Fury, AJ, Ortiz and Wilder), with Fury being the other. This is my opinion. Watch the Duhaupas fight, the 1st Stiverne fight, etc. Wilder does not have a problem being followed. He can punch while moving. Even against Ortiz, while Wilder did not dominate, he kept Ortiz at bay long enough - you wouldn't expect him to dominate a guy of great technical skill when the disparity in arsenal is not huge. Unlike Wilder, AJ struggles massively in this area. AJ is at his best when he is on the front foot.

Power - Wilder has more power than AJ in both hands. He has knocked folks down with the left hook. At worst, I will give them equal in power on the left hook if you like but that will be me being generous. AJ drops guys based on accumulation due to his combinations against near-stationary targets. On the right hand, there is a huge disparity in the power Wilder's right hand possesses and any other shot in boxing. Wilder's right hand punches that have dropped guys were not even hit with the most power. They seemed more like mid-pace shots.

[juggernaut666]

He cant keep winning the way he oes and expect another 5 years and no losses .


Spoiler Alert : Joshua knocks him out 2 x if they fight .


If he doesnt fight Joshua his undefeated streak is just worth a trivia question on a game show. lol

[rickJen]

Did you know that Wilder was at one time averaging 7 fights a year?
Doesn't take rocket science to figure out what type of fighters he was fighting at that time.
Is that all there is to it?
Fight scrubs and brag about the number of wins you had?