Parker didn't make 13 mil for the Joshua fight.

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  • keith_head
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    #41
    Parker's coach Kevin Barry said after the fight that AJ's team had been avoiding Wilder, but with the improvements in AJ's game that now it's a closer fight and they might look to realistically make it.

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    • Chrismart
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      #42
      Originally posted by keith_head
      Why would Higgins say anything? It's none of his business and if Parker wants to have a rematch down the line with Joshua why would he damage their relationship? In any case, you can't take what any of these guys say seriously. Not Hearn, not Higgins, not Shelly, none of them.
      Right, because that wouldn't be like Higgins at all.
      That would be so un-Higgins like to speak out if someone was saying he secured a weaker deal for his fighter than he actually did

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      • Robbie Barrett
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        #43
        Originally posted by keith_head
        And Klitschko got an even split, right? 50/50, right? So what's your point?
        The post i was replying to said Wilder is closer to Klitschko than Parker in draw. Which is flat out wrong. Wlad was a far bigger draw than Wilder. $12.5 mil for no draw Wilder is more than fair.

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          #44
          Originally posted by The plunger man
          Judging by all the posts from wilder fans, i have come to one conclusion they don't have 1 brain cell among them.
          joshua has made a great offer which far exceeds anything wilder has earnt or is likely to earn.
          Joshua earned a £15 million purse against klitchko and was a huge event.
          I imagine ths fight shoud do similar numbers and joshua with 3 belts and bringing more food to the aprty has every right to earn $18 million and wilder $12.5 million.....its a fair deal its as simple as that so stop ducking the fight ole chicken legs wilder
          You're mixing pounds and dollars: £1 is equal to $1.40. £15m is equal to just over $21,250,000, and $12.5m is equal to just under £9m.

          Not all the way sure what Klitschko got, but if they did end up splitting everything 50/50, in what world does it make sense for Joshua to get £15m then, yet Wilder get £9m now?

          £15m for Joshua and £15m for Klitschko gets you to £30m for that huge event; 40% to Deontay Wilder gets him £12m (converts to $17m).

          The current offer is about $5m off from what'd be fair if we're gonna be honest about it.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Chrismart
            Right, because that wouldn't be like Higgins at all.
            That would be so un-Higgins like to speak out if someone was saying he secured a weaker deal for his fighter than he actually did
            Higgins speaks out purely and simply to secure deals for his fighter. His "personality" is not his real personality, it's what he does as a promoter. He's not outspoken for the sake of being outspoken, he's only outspoken when it brings him value.

            There is no value for him in contradicting Hearn here. It doesn't earn him any more money.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Spacey1991
              Only? Our PPV's are way cheaper and we don't get ****d on ticket prices like in the US... AJ is still the most marketable boxer besides Canelo and nobody else really comes close to him.

              Wilder needs Joshua for a huge payday, not the other way round. Joshua can fight journeymen and make far more than Wilder does per fight. I've been to two AJ fights and the atmosphere is always amazing, people will come for that alone.
              Wilder is AJ's ticket to Mayweather money, and everyone knows it.

              For all the talk of how great the atmosphere is in the UK, the utter ceiling for what can be generated for the fighters in the UK is $40m-$45m.

              Floyd and Oscar ended up clearing $75m, Floyd and Canelo ended up clear something like $90m, and Mayweather-Pacquiao was utterly ridiculous, with the McGregor take being just as ridiculous. Joshua's biggest possible fight in the UK is basically lower than every fight that Floyd fought in since the Mosley fight, including the Berto one (though Showtime/CBS likely took a bath on that one, tbh).

              Joshua can basically go from $20m a fight to $40m a fight over night. And that doesn't happen with any other possible fights.

              Deontay Wilder isn't seeing the same money that Joshua is seeing, but he's been steadily growing. The full Barclays Center is being run at full-value tickets (Wilder ended up putting something like 14k into the building for his last fight), the TV ratings are coming in stellar, and his buzz has finally broken beyond the boxing/sports world, with general media paying attention.

              Wilder's built things up from $1m to millions, and he's basically a fight or two away from being viable for PPV in his own right (where the numbers will grow exponentially as he converts folks). If he keeps winning, and the viewers keep with him, he'll get to Joshua's $20m without him, with time.

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              • Chrismart
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                #47
                Originally posted by keith_head
                Higgins speaks out purely and simply to secure deals for his fighter. His "personality" is not his real personality, it's what he does as a promoter. He's not outspoken for the sake of being outspoken, he's only outspoken when it brings him value.

                There is no value for him in contradicting Hearn here. It doesn't earn him any more money.
                He's a promoter, his job, his earning recruitment and future job opportunities come from his reputation. For that very reason alone he's not going to let people (his rivals) come out and pretend his clients have been underpaid by them.
                Absolutely no chance. It could directly affect him and his future earning possibilities and fighter recruitment. Cutting the best deal possible for his fighter is what he does for a living, it's his lifeline..it would be career suicide to sit back and let other guys with the same job as him lie and down play his performance and ability to do his job.

                Imagine Arum, Hearn, Warren or Oscar, or even guys like Hennessy, just keeping silent and not laughing off the notion that a rival promoter had cut a worse deal with them if it wasn't true.

                That's just the business aspect, never mind the ego aspect of promoters. They're constantly taking swipes at eachother if need be, it's that kind of environment, they certainly wouldn't be giving free shots to eachother. Especially when these two have had previous.

                You're entitled to your opinon, but I totally disagree that 'theres no value in contracting Hearn'.
                There's no other option for a promoter to call out a rival if he's lying IMO, and plenty of reason why he certainly would contradict Hearn if he was lying.
                Last edited by Chrismart; 04-11-2018, 08:22 PM.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                  You got any numbers to back that up? Wilder makes 2 mil for his biggest payday, Klitschko made far more. That tells everyone Klitschko was a way bigger draw. Even in the US Klitschko-Jennings did 1.7 mil on HBO, Wilder-Ortiz did 1 mil on Showtime. Klitschko was a bigger draw. FACT.
                  Showtime is available in significantly fewer homes than HBO is, so no need to play dumb, lol.

                  If you want to imagine that £9m to Wilder is fair, when Joshua-Klitschko had them splitting something like £30m, that's on you.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Julia Slobberts
                    Dang Barrett, I bet you'd suck Joshua and Hearn's wieners if you had the chance. This is getting ridiculous!
                    Bet? Making a bet would insinuate that there was a possibility he wouldn't suck them both off. He'd suck them both off 100% of the time. Just like the rest of the bias UK fans.

                    Don't worry, they'll get what's coming to them when there man is exposed. Just like Khan, Hatton, and so many others.

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                    • keith_head
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Chrismart
                      He's a promoter, his job, his earning recruitment and future job opportunities come from his reputation. For that very reason alone he's not going to let people (his rivals) come out and pretend his clients have been underpaid by them.
                      Absolutely no chance. It could directly affect him and his future earning possibilities and fighter recruitment. Cutting the best deal possible for his fighter is what he does for a living, it's his lifeline..it would be career suicide to sit back and let other guys with the same job as him lie and down play his performance and ability to do his job.

                      Imagine Arum, Hearn, Warren or Oscar, or even guys like Hennessy, just keeping silent and not laughing off the notion that a rival promoter had cut a worse deal with them if it wasn't true.

                      That's just the business aspect, never mind the ego aspect of promoters. They're constantly taking swipes at eachother if need be, it's that kind of environment, they certainly wouldn't be giving free shots to eachother. Especially when these two have had previous.

                      You're entitled to your opinon, but I totally disagree that 'theres no value in contracting Hearn'.
                      There's no other option for a promoter to call out a rival if he's lying IMO, and plenty of reason why he certainly would contradict Hearn if he was lying.

                      We're not talking about some egotistical major promoter here. Higgins is not and will never be in competition with Hearn, Arum etc. We're talking about a guy who has ONE major signed fighter, who himself is not at all egotistical enough to care whether people think he's been underpaid.

                      The most he's ever going to do is have a small stable of fighters from New Zealand and Australia, that he can position intelligently to make big fights with other promoter's fighters.

                      Also, if you've ever been to New Zealand, this is pretty typical of our culture. We don't give a crap if other people think we're underpaid or whatever. It's not the same culture as US or UK.

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