Comments Thread For: Team Wilder Plan Counter To $12.5 Million Flat Fee For Joshua

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So, more than double his best pay still isn’t enough?? What’s with all the Wilder fans who have been shouting ‘give us the Wilder the fight so he can easily KO the glass jawed robot’...now he’s been offered double his best pay and his fans are all like ‘nah, don’t fight him for that’.

If you have honest questions, I'll be happy to answer them, but don't lump me in with anybody else. You've never seen me call Joshua a glass jawed robot or say that Wilder would easily knock him out. I see it as a pick 'em fight. I favored Joshua slightly, but after his performance against Parker, I now favor Wilder slightly. It can go either way IMO and they're clearly the two best boxers on the planet.

As for whether double his best pay "is enough" or not, that's not how business works. You could say the same thing about Joshua. Is double his best pay not enough? This is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing right now. It's never going to happen on a flat fee. That would be ridiculous. Parker got one third and Wilder clearly deserves a higher percentage than Parker.

Hearn is very intelligent. Hearn is a great promoter. His opening offer is obviously going to be a low ball. If it wasn't, he should be fired for incompetence. He's doing his job. His job is to make a low ball offer initially. This is how it works. Anybody saying it's not a low ball offer is basically saying Hearn has no idea what he's doing and is a horrible promoter.

[TheCell8]

I would hope so....

[PunchyPotorff]

The Wilder fans will go bonkers insisting this is a duck from Joshua. Never mind Joshua just said he wants Wilder first, then maybe Povetkin. And Wilder and his people have already said they will likely not accept TWELVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS to fight Joshua.

Yeah, that sure sounds like a duck from Joshua.

LOL!

[sportbuddha]

If you have honest questions, I'll be happy to answer them, but don't lump me in with anybody else. You've never seen me call Joshua a glass jawed robot or say that Wilder would easily knock him out. I see it as a pick 'em fight. I favored Joshua slightly, but after his performance against Parker, I now favor Wilder slightly. It can go either way IMO and they're clearly the two best boxers on the planet.

As for whether double his best pay "is enough" or not, that's not how business works. You could say the same thing about Joshua. Is double his best pay not enough? This is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing right now. It's never going to happen on a flat fee. That would be ridiculous. Parker got one third and Wilder clearly deserves a higher percentage than Parker.

Hearn is very intelligent. Hearn is a great promoter. His opening offer is obviously going to be a low ball. If it wasn't, he should be fired for incompetence. He's doing his job. His job is to make a low ball offer initially. This is how it works. Anybody saying it's not a low ball offer is basically saying Hearn has no idea what he's doing and is a horrible promoter.

Read what I said, I neither called you a Wilder fan or quoted you. My point is, it’s actually not the hugely unfair offer others on here are in uproar about. Why...because I travel the world for work and outside of boxing gyms in the US no one has a clue who Wilder is. AJ is (whether people like him or not) hugely marketable in the UK even on Main Street and has more marketable worth in this fight by quite a margin. But even AJ is hardly know in Asia or Australia or Nordic countries or Russia...the list goes on.

So what I’m saying is the money in this fight isn’t as big as people think. We’re soo used to blown up numbers people immediately jump to Mayweather money, but it isn’t there for this fight. AJ has reached saturation in the UK, they can pretty much guess what he’ll net there, the US is more unknown, but seeing as Wilder can’t sell out a phone booth it’s not massive, especially as AJ hasn’t even fought there.

I’ll concede that it’s a negotiation and Wilders camp can likely edge up the money like Parker did, but those calling out $30m are way way off, and suggesting $12.5m is an insult is ducking on his behalf.

[N/A]

My point is, it’s actually not the hugely unfair offer others on here are in uproar about.

So what you're saying then is that Hearn is a moron and a horrible promoter. Because he's got the A-side. His job is to start with a hugely unfair offer. This is how negotiating works. So if it's not a hugely unfair offer, that means Hearn is incompetent and doing a horrible job.

outside of boxing gyms in the US no one has a clue who Wilder is.

Then why is he Showtime's biggest draw? Why is he on a major reality show? Why did he draw the 2nd biggest crowd in Barclays history?

So what I’m saying is the money in this fight isn’t as big as people think.

So then Hearn should give him a percentage. If the fight isn't as big as people think, Hearn would be saving himself money by giving a percentage. Parker was given one third. Wilder is far more well known than Parker, brings a much larger market to the table, and has a much more valuable belt. If Parker got one third, why should Wilder take a flat fee?

[aboutfkntime]

If you have honest questions, I'll be happy to answer them, but don't lump me in with anybody else. You've never seen me call Joshua a glass jawed robot or say that Wilder would easily knock him out. I see it as a pick 'em fight. I favored Joshua slightly, but after his performance against Parker, I now favor Wilder slightly. It can go either way IMO and they're clearly the two best boxers on the planet.

As for whether double his best pay "is enough" or not, that's not how business works. You could say the same thing about Joshua. Is double his best pay not enough? This is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing right now. It's never going to happen on a flat fee. That would be ridiculous. Parker got one third and Wilder clearly deserves a higher percentage than Parker.

Hearn is very intelligent. Hearn is a great promoter. His opening offer is obviously going to be a low ball. If it wasn't, he should be fired for incompetence. He's doing his job. His job is to make a low ball offer initially. This is how it works. Anybody saying it's not a low ball offer is basically saying Hearn has no idea what he's doing and is a horrible promoter.

I agree 100%..... and good for Hearn/Joshua

but.....

if that 12.5mil truly is a..... " take it or leave it "..... offer

then they are clearly ducking the Alabama Kid, no question

Hearn should move on that stance, like he did with Parker

good post

[aboutfkntime]

Read what I said, I neither called you a Wilder fan or quoted you. My point is, it’s actually not the hugely unfair offer others on here are in uproar about. Why...because I travel the world for work and outside of boxing gyms in the US no one has a clue who Wilder is. AJ is (whether people like him or not) hugely marketable in the UK even on Main Street and has more marketable worth in this fight by quite a margin. But even AJ is hardly know in Asia or Australia or Nordic countries or Russia...the list goes on.

So what I’m saying is the money in this fight isn’t as big as people think. We’re soo used to blown up numbers people immediately jump to Mayweather money, but it isn’t there for this fight. AJ has reached saturation in the UK, they can pretty much guess what he’ll net there, the US is more unknown, but seeing as Wilder can’t sell out a phone booth it’s not massive, especially as AJ hasn’t even fought there.

I’ll concede that it’s a negotiation and Wilders camp can likely edge up the money like Parker did, but those calling out $30m are way way off, and suggesting $12.5m is an insult is ducking on his behalf.

it is not a very good offer at all

not considering the revenue that Joshua/Wilder would pull

if Hearn/Joshua stick to their guns, they clearly don't want that fight

Parker earned around 35%

[cameltoe]

Why say take it or leave it if you're trying to negotiate? Why start at a position so unreasonable?

Didn’t Wilder say “50% or no fight?”

Let me guess, he wasn’t being unreasonable there though....

[cameltoe]

LMAO at all the Wilder fans calling a ‘take it or leave it’ offer a duck.

Remind me who said “50% or no fight” again?

What’s more, at least Hearn is actually moving to get the fight made! What’s Deontay and his team doing about it? The usual. Nothing. Except whining in the media.

[sportbuddha]

So what you're saying then is that Hearn is a moron and a horrible promoter. Because he's got the A-side. His job is to start with a hugely unfair offer. This is how negotiating works. So if it's not a hugely unfair offer, that means Hearn is incompetent and doing a horrible job.

He's doing a great job, but unless you are negotiating in a Turkish market, $12.5m won't suddenly become $25m, it'll be $15m or $16m or something like that.

Then why is he Showtime's biggest draw? Why is he on a major reality show? Why did he draw the 2nd biggest crowd in Barclays history?

Yeah, he did some more than Garcia vs Broner, nobody would know who either of those guys are either. Barclays is 20k capacity, but how many would travel to the UK? I didn't even have a clue he was on a reality show, so pretty sure the world isn't tuning in for that.

So then Hearn should give him a percentage. If the fight isn't as big as people think, Hearn would be saving himself money by giving a percentage. Parker was given one third. Wilder is far more well known than Parker, brings a much larger market to the table, and has a much more valuable belt. If Parker got one third, why should Wilder take a flat fee?

Yeah, he should let him keep all the PPV he can muster, should net him about $50!! But seriously, Hearn is coughing up the cash so he can offer whatever he wants, I expect the fall back will be, if they don't like it come up with an offer from their side. The offer from Wilders side would no doubt have to be financed in the US on the basis Joshua would go there, which he won't, so Hearn has the crown ***els and as much as Wilder wants to talk, he'll either take $15m or something like that or he watches ringside for another year.

Also, I see a lot of people on here, joking AJ loses his belts to Povetkin, surely thats also crossing the minds of Wilders team, afterall a fight to unify with Povetkin is probably worth $5m again, so either way he's cornered on negotiations.