Why do posters keep trying to throw someone else in with Wilder??

[Larry the boss]

Joshua actually is the man in the division and in a similair position to floyd. Hes the money maker, hes the big money fight just like floyd was. Being a 20 time world champion is no excuse for marinating a fight over 5 years like he did with manny.

The fans wanted maypac years before it happened, just like fans want AJ vs wilder now. But the same people ****ting on AJ are the ones that were just fine with floyd waiting to fight manny and said **** like " manny the b side , he has to wait doe"

But Manny is the reason the fight did not happen..why blame Mayweather?

[Larry the boss]

We know it won't happen. That's the issue. Wilder will continue to price himself out.

don't they have to actually sit down and negotiate first?

[_Rexy_]

how is him and Parker for the lineal title?

Because its Anthony Joshua, so just give him all of the titles!

[Robbie Barrett]

don't they have to actually sit down and negotiate first?

When Hearn tried to negotiate the first time Wilder said 50/50 or no fight, which ended negotiations. Wilder doesn't want it.

[_Rexy_]

When Hearn tried to negotiate the first time Wilder said 50/50 or no fight, which ended negotiations. Wilder doesn't want it.

glad you were there to fill us in on the negotiation.

[krazyn8tive]

Fury is the lineal champion, you can’t be stripped the lineal championship, he was stripped of the ring belt. The only way he would not be lineal is by retiring, and then it would go to whoever becomes undisputed.

But Wlad never became Lineal champ By beating Lewis, Lewis retired as lineal champ, but Wlad also didn’t become undisputed because he wouldn’t fight his brother. So wlad became lineal by beating the #2 HW after Vitali retired

Fury was stripped of his last title and has been inactive for two years. It is vacated therefore no "lineage" can be maintained. However, those two fighters widely regarded as the #1 and #2 can fight each other in that weight division to become "the man" and establish a new lineal champion.

Everyone here can agree that some posters here know their stuff when it comes to the sport. Irondanhamza is one. Here is a direct quote of his:

It's the man who beat the man. Which of course traces back for many years.

If the Lineage is vacant, it can be re-determined by the universal #1 Vs. the universal #2.

The "Lineage" is often open to interpretation, as far as I'm aware the "Ring Title" is their interpretation of "The man" and the "Lineal Champion".

But, other's people may differ to there's I.e Mosley's WW Lineage in 09-10. Many considered him the Lineal Champion whereas The Ring and other's felt he wasn't.

So, it does get confusing at times.

That's how I look at it anyway and always have.


Also, link to the quote: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=542386

[Robbie Barrett]

glad you were there to fill us in on the negotiation.

Don't need to have been there. All info released to the press.

Hearns father met Finkel, Hearn contacted Finkel and said they were going to put together some numbers, Wilder said 50/50 or no fight which killed the negotiations.

[Chunk..]

and that has what to do with Mayweather?

He makes about 20x more than what every other fighter does in the division.

He's the 2nd biggest star in the sport.

The salt and pepper is on his side of the table.

[Vinnykin]

I haven't seen one post from any one on here saying that AJ/Wilder shouldn't be next....we all want that fight, but boxing is boxing and fights don't always happen straight away.

[_Rexy_]

Fury was stripped of his last title and has been inactive for two years. It is vacated therefore no "lineage" can be maintained. However, those two fighters widely regarded as the #1 and #2 can fight each other in that weight division to become "the man" and establish a new lineal champion.

Everyone here can agree that some posters here know their stuff when it comes to the sport. Irondanhamza is one. Here is a direct quote of his:

It's the man who beat the man. Which of course traces back for many years.

If the Lineage is vacant, it can be re-determined by the universal #1 Vs. the universal #2.

The "Lineage" is often open to interpretation, as far as I'm aware the "Ring Title" is their interpretation of "The man" and the "Lineal Champion".

But, other's people may differ to there's I.e Mosley's WW Lineage in 09-10. Many considered him the Lineal Champion whereas The Ring and other's felt he wasn't.

So, it does get confusing at times.

That's how I look at it anyway and always have.


Also, link to the quote: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=542386

you basically just reiterated what I said....As for the ring title, it was looked at as the lineal title until GBP bought it, now it's kind of murky.